> IDEFix is complete pain in the bum. Well, registering is. I changed

I (well, my dad) found it quite easy, and quick to register it. And it's in
use now and works very well. Shame the CD doesn't seem to be working too well
atm

Neil

> They will both be. They missed the next CD (which does have a groovy new AVI
> from clickBOOM of their new game...), so they'll be on AFCD48.

Like my nice load of stuff I uploaded to the FTP site yesterday which took
bloody ages, and several attempts.

Neil

> Whoops! 
> /me goes bright red...
> Yes. I was forgetting that. 
> Double-clicking on it works fine though. I guess the OS just 
> detects it's a device and mounts it :)

Or that the file has c:Mount as it's default tool? :)

Neil

Hi Chris

> > Neoplanet is just a skin set for Internet Exploder. IE is crap. Nuff
> > said.
>
>   Is it?  I used to think so too.  But I've been using IE5 on NT for about
> 2 months now (THEY MADE MY DUMP MY LINUX BOX!!!  HOW COULD THEY?).
>
>   I'm made up with it.  It's a good piece of software.  Sure it's a bit
> confusing when things (in the UI) are not where you expect them to be.
> But a) It's stable, b) it's turbo quick for a windows program and c) it's
> a fully (Yes FULLY) feature browser.
>
>   Netscape on the other hand is slow, doesn't implement thing as properly
> (W3C) as IE and falls over more than my netthew.
>
>   So there!  That's my mine made up.

I agree.  I too am growing tired of this slagging-off-MS-for-the-sake-of-it.
IE5 *is* a fully featured browser with some handy features (like remembering
passwords, form entries etc).  I like it.  So shoot me.  I can like good
software if I want.

Tatty byes
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second out of time.

Hi Chris

> > oh, by the way..i'm now using NeoPlanet. it has totally changed my
> > experience of browsing the web when i have to use a windows PC. anyone
> > else using it? I'd rather see NeoPlanet ported to the Amiga than
> > Netscape! ;-)
>
>   Do you not have to have IE installed first though.  I think that it uses
> it's DLLs.

I think it's not much more than a new GUI for IE.  Why else do you think the
entire thing was only ~1.5mb to download!

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second out of time.

On 26-Oct-99, Sales orders wrote:

> Most of our customers pay by debit card (Delta, Solo, Electron, Connect,
> Switch etc) cheque, postal order or even cash.

wow!, somewhere that takes Electron! I might just buy something to see what
happens :)

Mash - Never found anywhere that takes electron
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                               Matthew O'Neill

If voting changed anything it'd be illegal.

On 25-Oct-99, maartend@dds.nl wrote:

> Why are we not allowed to send the CU serial to the list?

Good question, shame no-one has a half decent answer

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                               Matthew O'Neill

PUNNY BOOK = Why Cars Stop: M.T. Tank.

On 26-Oct-99, Ben Vost wrote:

>> Why are we not allowed to send the CU serial to the list?

> You're perfectly welcome to send it to the CU list. It has *never* had
> anything to do with Amiga Format. If CU didn't include it in their mag,
> that's nothing to do with us.

(smartarse reply1) Unlike the many threads that appear on this list, no?

(smartarse reply 2) other that the fact that you edited it?

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On 26-Oct-99, amipal@yahoo.com wrote:

> It usually happens when it has only just been switched on, and occures
> only when using DOpus: I've been using good'ol Workbench for the last
> few days without any crashes.

Somewhere in the options, turn off the title bar things such as available
ram, tasks running and that moon thing. maybe thats it?

Mash - spam
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I bring you love and deeper understanding.

On 25-Oct-99, Anthony Prime wrote:

> I rebooted and the partitions appeared on the workbench, but
> when I tried to format dh0 the progress bar stayed at 0%.
> Following the reboot, all the partitions had disappeared :(

Quick format?

Mash - never formatted in over 5 years
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Disappearing recipe! (Just hit Enter. Try it now!)

On 25-Oct-99, Andrew Crowe wrote:

>   Are you use you need to set up a network? Why not just use a null-modem
> cable and two terminal programs and use them to copy the data to and fro?

Put simply, I'm 18, and want to be 18 when it finishes.

5k/sec on 2 serial ports is a big no-no. 1,000,000,000/5,000 = 200,000
seconds = 55 hours = no

Mash - still 18
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Hi Neil
Somewhere around 26-Oct-99, you spewed some some gumph about [afb] Re: OS3.5
has arrived !!!

>> I have no idea why mui wasn't used.

> Because Stuntz said no.

stuck up, or didn't want the world to suffer?

>> MUI IS the standard,

> No it isn't.

bollocks! All the decent browsers/irc clients/ mailer use MUI.

>> everything uses mui

> Don't be silly, there's lots of non-MUI software out there.

In the same way there are alot of 3 wheeled cars. All the better net
software uses MUI, deny it

Mash - MDW
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On 26-Oct-99, fool wrote:

>> - If so few members decided to vote this time, there must be a reason

It's because most people read the mail at work/college and you can't use the
page there without leaving your details in the cookie without allowing
anyone else to use it. simple really

Mash - 
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Easter has been cancled this year; they found the body.

Hi Ian
Somewhere around 26-Oct-99, you spewed some some gumph about [afb] Re:
Worried? Call Paranoia-800

>> I like cute things, it's only cats I hate...

> Oh oh, I can just visualise a load of "pussy" one liners winging their way
> from mashman :(

I cun't imagine where you got that idea from ;)

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Hello Tim

On 26-Oct-99, you wrote:

>> You wanna be on irc.amiganet.org, chatting with all #amiga guys
>> rather than that bunch of idiot script kiddies.
> 
> Tried that, massive server lag, completely useless, it'd be easier to
> chat sending e-mails...

Come and join us on Arcnet then. :)

uk1.arcnet.vapor.com

I'll be in:

#Amiga
#Gas

Nick: Pressure

Regards

Hello Neil

On 26-Oct-99, you wrote:

>> I have no idea why mui wasn't used.
> 
> Because Stuntz said no.
> 
>> MUI IS the standard,
> 
> No it isn't.
> 
>> everything uses mui
> 
> Don't be silly, there's lots of non-MUI software out there.

Speaking of MUI. Now that 3.5 has been released is there any chance of MUI
4.1 (assumed due to references in the amirc install script ;) ) this year?

Regards

Hi Matthew,

>>> MUI IS the standard,

>> No it isn't.

> bollocks! All the decent browsers/irc clients/ mailer use MUI.

Net software isn't the only reason to use the Amiga. And moderate your
language please or I'll have to.

>>> everything uses mui

>> Don't be silly, there's lots of non-MUI software out there.

> In the same way there are alot of 3 wheeled cars. All the better net
> software uses MUI, deny it

Neil didn't say anything about net software, besides which you're arguing
with the wrong person since Neil is a fervent supporter of THOR and AWeb
which don't use MUI, and Miami which doesn't need to.

All the best,
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Hello Ben

On 26-Oct-99, you wrote:
 
>> As per my vote in your OS3.5 poll, my copy of OS3.5 is on it's way as
>> we speak!
>> I just hope it isn't as bad as the rumours suggest... Maybe if it is I
>> will re-install 3.1 ;-)
> 
> It's not bad at all. I think people were expecting too much from it, but a
> lot of its power is behind the scenes anyway, like Workbench's new ARexx
> port.

I installed it today and I'm very pleased with it so far. One thing I did
notice is that my data transfers with YAM shot up and stayed there. It used
to get on average 600cps allowing for stalling etc but now it stayed at
1500cps. Great seeing as I'm only using a 14.4k modem (soon to be 56k). :))

What PPC features are there? I couldn't find any reference to it in the
docs?

Regards

Hello Godzilla

On 25-Oct-99, you wrote:

>>> There have even been cracked and pirated versions of 3.5 beta releases
>>> by Digital Corruption. It was on Amiga-News.de quite some time ago. To
>>> everyone who intends to use a pirated version, you can be sure there
>>> are backdoors in it.
 
>> Which will be used to try and discredit Holger Kruse (as per usual). :(
  
> NO! I like Holger! And I love Miami... I for one fully understand him
> trying to slow down the Piracy of his software... (That was why he put the
> backdoor in Miami right?

Erm. There is NO backdoor(s) in miami. D(ickhead)C(orperation) said there
was but it was caused by a hacked datatypes.library.
 
Regards

Hi Paul,

>> Don't be silly, there's lots of non-MUI software out there.

> Speaking of MUI. Now that 3.5 has been released is there any chance of MUI
> 4.1 (assumed due to references in the amirc install script ;) ) this year?

Only if Stuntzi is ready to release it.

All the best,
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Hi Everybody,

> Erm. There is NO backdoor(s) in miami. D(ickhead)C(orperation) said the=
re
> was but it was caused by a hacked datatypes.library.

   I thought that if users were using the known pirated key file, it sent=
 their email address to that anti pirate organisation that I've forgotten=
 the name of.

   Although, maybe pirates added a back door to it and just lotsa people =
used the pirate version?  (naughty naughty)


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Hi Everybody,

>> Why are we not allowed to send the CU serial to the list?
> =

> Good question, shame no-one has a half decent answer

   I cant see why not, seeing as it was supposed to be printed in the mag=
 anyway

(anyway, whos gonna stop people emailing anyone who wants it privately?)

See ya :)
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> On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, Jonathan Day wrote:
>
> > Got very annoyed, had a very long chat to Tony, who tells me that
actually
> > it`s a m/b fault, they could have fixed it 3 months ago, and if I send
my
> > m/b they`ll fix it.  Bit strange considering how`s on their second test
they
> > agreed it was faulty.
> >
> > Admittedly Tony offered to fix it for free, if I paid to get the m/b to
>              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > them.  I told him where to go, to send the 060 back, and got on the
phone to
> > Eyetech, and then found out they`re only 20 minutes away :-)
> >
> > I hand delivered the 060, SIMM and my m/b after normal hours, got a
phone
> > call next day to say they`d fully tested them all and there was nought
> > wrong.  They then offered to do the m/b fix anyway since they had it, to
> > which I agreed, and it was the only thing they charged me for, the price
> > straight out of AF.  Picked it up next evening, again out of hours and I
had
> > 060 power!
>
> posting the MB to PowerC wouldnt have cost that much...i dont see the
> relevance ;-)
>
> alan
>

Yes, I see the smiley.  But 3 months is long bloody  time when you`re not
sure whether you could afford it, whether you oughtn`t have gone PPC
instead, or after the last round of redunancies, and the (true) rumours of
more to come whether you`ll still have a job in a few weeks.

It was the crap service and customer care that I got annoyed with.  OK if
there`s a shortage of 060s that`s not Powers fault but that does not absolve
them of the other problems I encountered.

I told Tony to cancel my order even though they had the 060 there, that I
would buy the 060 from Eyetech too.  That got him worried, and that`s when
he finally offered the free fix.  It also got me worried incase Eyetech
didn`t have any, so that`s why I kept the board.

By the time I had paid for the carriage (registered, and well packaged of
course) and Power`s carriage charge, Eyetech was a definite option.

As I said before, I hold no grudge against Power, they`ve done me good
service in the past, but I`ve never had trouble with Eyetech so I`ll stick
with them.

Jon

Hello All,

On 27-Oct-99, Ben Vost wrote:

> Hi Danny,
> 
>> I think he knows what it is worth though, he's had an Amiga of some sort
>> since 1990 and he's a bit of a myzar!
> 
> What? An RC5 GUI?
> 
> All the best,

Yeah yeah, wondered when someone would pickup on this one. Should have been
miser as in tight fisted little git (or just tight fisted :) as if you
didn't know :)

Bye,

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-- Albert Einstein

Ben Vost said, 

> There was going to be a special version of Miami for OS3.5, but H&P and
> Holger Kruse ran out of time to put it in. There may well be a special
> version in the future, but it still wouldn't be as good as the registered
> version (why would Holger make a version that was as good that he got no
> money from?).

I thought Holger was getting paid for the OEM version...


Neil
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The UK's first Amiga-only internet access provider
http://www.wire.net.uk
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Sealey, M. said, 

>> > I meant 'standard' as in without using newicon.library, like
>> > DOpus 5.11 did before it crashed and then strangely managed
>> > to delete itself when it started back up again.. 
>> 
>> DOpus 5.11 didn't handle NewIcons at all, neither did 5.5.

> No, but they still displayed them. Because the Newicons
> patch is installed, DOpus just gets an image back from the
> library that is a nicely colour remapped Newicon.

Hang on, first you say it didn't use the library, not you say it did.

> Obviously if you don't install the patch, it doesn't work,
> but in a sense it 'handled' newicons because it didn't use
> custom code to read icon data out of the files, instead
> using the (newicons patched) icon.library functions..

And how is that different from all versions of Opus since then? Magellan
introduce native NewIcon handling, but it still used the library.
Nothing changed in that respect.


Neil
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Frost said, 

> 1.  Voyager - instant crash. Reboot necessary. I was previously using V3 pre
> 4 without problems (apart from the fact that it timed out since it wasn't
> registered yet). The new button files are a different size - slightly larger,
> so they've been changed. The Voyager executable seems to have changed too -
> might be a CPU-optimised version, I guess.

> This is not too bad as I found my original V3pre4 installation now works and
> is registered. Maybes it's this CD version that's got a problem then.

> 2.  Webvision - same as Voyager. Except that I can't fix that using the above
> method, obviously.

You can, get WebVision from Aminet.

The problem is in the CD pressing. The gold masters work fine, I have
one here, but the production CDs have corrupted files. They are the same
size but have different checksums.

> Who's the best person to pass these comments along to? Chris Wiles?
> Vaporware? The individual authors / bug lists? All of these?

Chris Wiles knows about the problem and its cause, but there's nothin he
can do for a couple of weeks, until the duplicators run off another
batch of CDs. Until then, the solution is to get pre4 from Vapor as
you've already done.


Neil
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Alan L.M. Buxey said, 

> On 27 Oct 1999, Neil Bothwick wrote:

>> You'd have to be online for that to work. You may have unmetered
>> local calls down there, but a very large proportion of the subscribers
>> to this list pay for every minute online. For them, offline mail reading
>> is the only sensible option.

> when you go online, you just fire up your browser whilst grabbing your
> emails. not only can you catch up with all the Amiga news within a few
> minutes (hotlist all the main sites) but you can also check for any
> polls.

To do what was suggested in the previous mail, you'd have to be online
when *reading* the mails.

> - anyone with BT for example, must be online for more than 5
> minutes to make the call worthwhile! :-)

Only at weekends. Well under a minute during the day after allowing for
modem negotiation and logging in.


Neil
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On 27-Oct-99, Paul wrote:

> I installed it today and I'm very pleased with it so far.

  O.K. I give up, and order it next week ( i.e. as soon as ADFI get it; t=
hey
said it should arrive in France on Monday )
  St=E9phane from AmigaImpact told us all that it was a matter of life or=

death for the Amiga, and I must say I didn't like the argument too much,
since we were really expecting a lot more after all these years.
  But to be honest, I would gladly pay that much for a couple of useful
patches, so why not buy the "official" product everyone was waiting for?

( This is no apology, just a... conclusion )

  Best regards,

  Patrice=

Hello Matthew

On 26-Oct-99, you wrote:

> On 26-Oct-99, fool wrote:
> 
>>> - If so few members decided to vote this time, there must be a reason

  These quotes are sometimes a little confusing. He didn't write that, I
did. 

  Patrice 

On 27-Oct-99, amipal@yahoo.com wrote:

> <snip>
>>   Generally though, EVERYTHING is speeded up.

> Am I the only person who has upgraded from an 030 to 040 and found
> very little performance gain? I expected things to be faster, and,
> granted, they are, but not that much. I guess OXYPATCH is a must,
> huh?

I guess it depends what you are doing? Anything maths heavy like 3d
rendering should be much faster. Faster, and then some.

> Paul




Regards
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us as equals.
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Hello Oliver


>> Or will I have to fork out for a SCSI Scanner?
> 
> This would be the easiest, yes.  Many Amiga drivers exist for SCSI based
> scanners.  Epson units, in particular, are very well supported on the
> Amiga and are well built.
> 
> If you're 030 card does not sport a SCSI interface, then you may want
> to consider something like a Blizzard 1240/1260 + SCSI kit.

one last thing make sure the scsi unit you get works with the scanner. I have
a Artec scsi scanner but some software will not work with a Surf Squirrel
interface (the classic squirrel is OK) but will work with a 1230scsi port
(worked with a 1230-III and my new 1260) The Blizzard stuff should be OK its
just incase you go for the easier route with the Surf (I have both so I'm OK
:-) with the faster serial port.

I have just gone up from a 1230 to a 1260 and its brill' now with my scanner
esp' using ADPro (best software ever I love it, shame not made no more)  

                 Cheers all the best

                       Ken 




  

On 27-Oct-99 14:47:38 BST, Ben Vost wrote:

>> Ben, you know the install program on the CD's that installs 
>> AFCDview? 
>> It would be nice if it asked before installing installer as well, 
>> in my case overwriting Savage Installer.

> Good point. Sorry about that James, I'm sure Oliver will sort it.

Done.  AFCD_Install will now check the version (not the version number!)
of Installer on your HD before attempting to copy it across.  If it finds
savage installer (i.e. InstallerNG), it'll leave it be and skip copying
installer across.  IMO, this is better than having AFCD_Install ask
you the same old question each time you run it :)

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<tsb>

Once upon a time there was a sage, , who enlightened the world about [afb] Mikro Mortal Tennis
> Hey! Guess what it looks as if Mikro Mortal Tennis will finally
> make an appearence on the Amiga after all.
> 
> According to Czech Amiga News it will be making it's debut at the
> forthcoming
> Cologne Show. A demo is available for download from Czech.
> 
> It looks as if Epic are releasing it.

IIRC it was given for free ages ago on an Italian only CD magazine... 
in fact it's on my HD and it was put there on July 18th 1998,
according to the filedate...

> Regards
> Mikey C

Regards,
Paolo

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       William Shakespeare

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                               lazybone@diff.org

Hello MARRISR@uk.ibm.com

> 
> BT should *never* have been privitised IMO.  

did you ever try getting a phone installed or finding a working pay phone
before this when the Post Office ran it. It was a bloody joke I know BT might
have some faults but there a million times better than before.

I'm 44 so can remember

                 Cheers all the best

                       Ken 




  

According to Eddie, there's something good going on and it's
something to do with [afb] Re: Bens Poll=2E

> Cheers for that=2E I'll download pre4 then=2E Strange isn't it ? After a
> relatively quiet period, everything's turning up at once=2E NC3, OS3=2E5
> and, yesterday morning, my analogue steering wheel for Virtual Grand
> Prix=2E=20

And a working EZ-Key adapter for my infra-red keyboard this morning=2E
Lurrrrvely :)

> Eddie

Paul C, 1=BD" too short
--=20
=2E=2E=2E "I did *not* have a sexual relationship with Monica Lewinsky,
    but I'll admit this; I *did* splash out on a new dress=2E"
    --Bill Clinton

Ben Vost reckons he knows a bit about [afb] Re: Scanners and stuff=2E, but =
there's more to it than that=2E

> > Also I have seen scanners for as little as =A350 in the shops, will the=
se
> > work with the standard Amiga parallel port? Or will I have to fork out =
for
> > a SCSI Scanner?

> You get what you pay for=2E Those cheap scanners are cheap for a good rea=
son -
> they produce terrible quality in my experience=2E=2E=2E

You must remember, Ben, that you work in journalism and so you're used
to amazing results with scanners/printers etc=2E To me, and I suspect a
lot of other people, poor quality is often sufficient=2E

> Ben Vost (x2337)                T: (+44) 01225 442244

Paul C, getting used to his IR keyboard
--=20
=2E=2E=2E 43rd Law of Computing:
      Anything that can go wr

What are you on about, james?

> That's not a bad idea, thanks. 
> Actually, thinking about it, I could just leave cd0: in storage and 
> put "execute sys:storage/cd0" at the end of my startup-sequence.
 
> I'll give them both a try and see.

I have a similar problem. If I insert a CD after more than about two
mins from booting, it isn't recognised. I have a hotkey set up in MCP
(use to be in FKey) so I can press shift-f10 and it tries to 'run the
program "CD0:"' . Simply making it try to access CD0: makes it appear.

> James Rollison

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On Tue, Oct 26, 1999 at 08:27:06PM +0100, Matthew O'Neill wrote:

> It's because most people read the mail at work/college and you can't use the
> page there without leaving your details in the cookie without allowing
> anyone else to use it. simple really

Multi-user filesystems, anyone?

(Any system that keeps cookies for different users in the same place is
broken. Hugely.)

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@cam.ac.uk

The name's Bothwick, Neil Bothwick, licence to email.

> Chris Wiles knows about the problem and its cause, but there's nothin he
> can do for a couple of weeks, until the duplicators run off another
> batch of CDs. Until then, the solution is to get pre4 from Vapor as
> you've already done.

Just out of interest, and not actually specifically concerning Active,
would the person (in this case Chris W) who ordered to CD's get new
copies done free - seeing as it was the duplicators who apparently
'made a boo boo'?

> Neil

Paul C, watching his language
-- 
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I was just going to bed, when Andy Kinsella wrote this and I just HAD to read it:

> > Am I the only person who has upgraded from an 030 to 040 and found
> > very little performance gain? I expected things to be faster, and,
> > granted, they are, but not that much. I guess OXYPATCH is a must,
> > huh?
 
> I guess it depends what you are doing? Anything maths heavy like 3d
> rendering should be much faster. Faster, and then some.

I went 030/25 to 040/28 and web browsing has got /so/ much nicer. The
extra 28MB RAM might have helped a bit I suppose, but I'm sure it
saves a fortune in phone bills.

> > Paul

Paul C, not Paul
-- 
... Do radioactive cats have 18 half-lives?

What are you on about, Ken Walsh?

> > BT should *never* have been privitised IMO.  
 
> did you ever try getting a phone installed or finding a working pay phone
> before this when the Post Office ran it.

That's because technology has changed so much, though. If the current
level of technology was available while it was still nationalised they
would certainly have done a better job than they did (although it is
obviously still debatable as to whether it would be better than BT
as it is).

> I'm 44 so can remember

Soon you'll be 50, and you'll start to forget ;)

>                        Ken 

Paul C, who still refers to BT as the GPO
-- 
... "Ow"
    --Various people

> Just out of interest, and not actually specifically concerning Active,
> would the person (in this case Chris W) who ordered to CD's get new
> copies done free - seeing as it was the duplicators who apparently
> 'made a boo boo'?

This reminds me of a 'boo boo' at Guildhall when I did my work experience.
Someone there ordered 2000 copies of a CD, and sent wrong label for it. And
there was a massive cafuffle about who's fault it was. nothing really to do
with anything, is it? :)

Neil

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Hi,

Can anyone tell me what is happening to the value that is stored int
the variable num1 ?

#include <stdio.h>

main ()
		{
    char num1;
    char dig2;
    int answer;
    int answer2;
    int remi;
    printf("Enter the first digit\n");
    scanf("%s",&num1);
    printf("Enter the second digit\n");
    scanf("%s",&dig2);
    printf("first %c",num1);
    printf("second %c\n",dig2);
    answer=3*(1*1*1)-2*(1)+30;
    printf("answer %d",answer);
    answer2=answer/10;
    printf("\n answer %d",answer2);
    printf("\n enter the remainder");
    scanf("%d",&remi);
    if (remi>=5)
    	  {
    	  printf("\n 0x%c%c",dig2,num1);
    	  }
    	  else
    	    {
    	    printf("\n 0x%c%c",num1,dig2)
    	    }
    }

Any help will be appreciated

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#include <stdio.h>

main ()
		{
    char num1;
    char dig2;
    int answer;
    int answer2;
    int remi;
    printf("Enter the first digit\n");
    scanf("%s",&num1);
    printf("Enter the second digit\n");
    scanf("%s",&dig2);
    printf("first %c",num1);
    printf("second %c\n",dig2);
    answer=3*(1*1*1)-2*(1)+30;
    printf("answer %d",answer);
    answer2=answer/10;
    printf("\n answer %d",answer2);
    printf("\n enter the remainder");
    scanf("%d",&remi);
    if (remi>=5)
    	  {
    	  printf("\n 0x%c%c",dig2,num1);
    	  }
    	  else
    	    {
    	    printf("\n 0x%c%c",num1,dig2)
    	    }
    }

--=_=8<==MD23818DE0C-65CF419E==8<=_=--

Hi Matthew,

On 26-Oct-99 you wrote:

>> Most of our customers pay by debit card (Delta, Solo, Electron, Connect,
>> Switch etc) cheque, postal order or even cash.

> wow!, somewhere that takes Electron! I might just buy something to see
> what happens :)

> Mash - Never found anywhere that takes electron

Same here - I've had a card for months but haven't used it once yet.  Maybe
it's something that Eyetech (and any other Amiga dealers who also allow you
to pay with Electron) should put in great big letters in their ads?

Still, looks like Eyetech will finally be getting some of my dosh (when
I've actually got some, that is) :)

Martin.
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Hi Everybody,

> Can anyone tell me what is happening to the value that is stored in
> the variable num1 ?

> main ()
>         {
>    char num1;
>    char dig2;
>    int answer;
>    int answer2;
>    int remi;
>    printf("Enter the first digit\n");
>    scanf("%s",&num1);
>    printf("Enter the second digit\n");
>    scanf("%s",&dig2);
>    printf("first %c",num1);
>    printf("second %c\n",dig2);
>    answer=3D3*(1*1*1)-2*(1)+30;
>    printf("answer %d",answer);
>    answer2=3Danswer/10;
>    printf("\n answer %d",answer2);
>    printf("\n enter the remainder");
>    scanf("%d",&remi);
>    if (remi>=3D5)
>          {
>          printf("\n 0x%c%c",dig2,num1);
>          }
>          else
>            {
>            printf("\n 0x%c%c",num1,dig2)
>            }
>    }
> =

> Any help will be appreciated

   Well, as far as I can see, nothing is actually happening to ANY of the=
 variables.  #num1#,#dig2#,#remi# are simply a single character entered b=
y the user, and #answer# is always 31 and #answer2# is always 3.1

   (PS. I can't actually verify this, as I can't be bothered to load up a=
nd insert it into C, but that seems to be what it does)


   By the way, whats it supposed to do?

See ya :)
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-- Stereophonics

Hi Everybody,

>>   Are you use you need to set up a network? Why not just use a null-mo=
dem
>> cable and two terminal programs and use them to copy the data to and f=
ro?
> =

> Put simply, I'm 18, and want to be 18 when it finishes.
> =

> 5k/sec on 2 serial ports is a big no-no. 1,000,000,000/5,000 =3D 200,00=
0
> seconds =3D 55 hours =3D no

   You want to copy 1gig??  Geeze, that'd take a long time on most networ=
k configs, certainly a long time on anything you could get running on you=
r, A1200's weren't they?

Anyway, I'd say if you just want to copy this as a one off, the only real=
 way (with out spending lots of money) is to get a spitter cable, and lin=
k the two drives together (IDE weren't they?)  An A1200 will happily run =
2 hd's (I have :) =


   If you need to have a constant netork for copying large files all the =
time, then, um, I'm not sure... I think parnet is 10x faster then a direc=
t serial conection, that's still ~6 hours. Maybe a network card that runs=
 of the PCMCIA port?

See ya :)
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  - ------------------- Quote of the day: -------------------- -
"Bother," said Pooh, as his rip cord snapped.

> > 5k/sec on 2 serial ports is a big no-no. 1,000,000,000/5,000 = 200,000
> You want to copy 1gig??  Geeze, that'd take a long time on most network
configs,

Actually, 1,000,000,000 bytes is oly 953Mb :)

Neil

>  No, we would have all be extinct by the time it finished rendering ;)

Actually, Amiga's were used when modelling the dinosaurs for Jurassic Par=
k (although not the actual rendering), and they looked FAR less fake and =
crappy.



=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
so long and thanks for all the fish
      http://fly.to/Mr_Tickle
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

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>> OK - who subscribed me to the Monty Python list??  :)

> Not me (said in a gruff voice while wearing a false beard....)

Stop it! This is getting far too silly.




===================================
so long and thanks for all the fish
      http://fly.to/Mr_Tickle
===================================

Real meanings #2:
WINDOWS: Will Install Needless Data On Whole System



__________________________________________________
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Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

>> Most of our customers pay by debit card (Delta, Solo, Electron, Connec=
t,
>> Switch etc) cheque, postal order or even cash.

> wow!, somewhere that takes Electron! I might just buy something to see =
what
> happens :)

I work at Makro, and we take Electron. You need to have a Makro card too =
of course tho ;)
In fact I put an Electron card through today...


=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
so long and thanks for all the fish
      http://fly.to/Mr_Tickle
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

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pid Incoherent Code



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hi,
> 
> > Can anyone tell me what is happening to the value that is stored in
> > the variable num1 ?
> 
> > main ()
> >         {
> >    char num1;
> >    char dig2;
> >    int answer;
> >    int answer2;
> >    int remi;
> >    printf("Enter the first digit\n");
> >    scanf("%s",&num1);
> >    printf("Enter the second digit\n");
> >    scanf("%s",&dig2);
> >    printf("first %c",num1);
> >    printf("second %c\n",dig2);
> >    answer=3*(1*1*1)-2*(1)+30;
> >    printf("answer %d",answer);
> >    answer2=answer/10;
> >    printf("\n answer %d",answer2);
> >    printf("\n enter the remainder");
> >    scanf("%d",&remi);
> >    if (remi>=5)
> >          {
> >          printf("\n 0x%c%c",dig2,num1);
> >          }
> >          else
> >            {
> >            printf("\n 0x%c%c",num1,dig2)
> >            }
> >    }
> > 
> > Any help will be appreciated
> 
>    Well, as far as I can see, nothing is actually happening to ANY of the variables.  #num1#,#dig2#,#remi# are simply a single character entered by the user, and #answer# is always 31 and #answer2# is always 3.1
> 
>    (PS. I can't actually verify this, as I can't be bothered to load up and insert it into C, but that seems to be what it does)
Nothing is supposed to happen to the variables at the moment basically
the numbers that are imputted should be reversed depending on the
result of the calculation.

I am trying to help a friend do there assignment as she does not have
a clue and i did c about three years ago the basics any way and have
forgotten most of it.

Hello Tudor

On 27-Oct-99, you wrote:

>> But you did get it to work didn't you ?
>> 
>> Yes (sob!) it was this one question "Do  you use a 4 way IDE adapter
>> ?" I always answered no because I don't, look I don't (sob) have any
>> IDE drives connected at all.  But this one time I answered yes.
>> 
>> And....
>> 
>> And it worked, it booted fine I completed the 3.5 install with no
>> problems.  BUT HOW DID IT KNOW I WAS THINKING OF GETTING ONE ?   I
>> mean I'm scared man, real scared (sob).
> 
> ROTFL :)
> Nice one Carl - wicked SOH ;)

/me pictures Carl recording this into a video camera held really close to
his face ala Blair Witch. ;)

Regards

> :-) It's normal. The UK keyboard is not the same as the US keyboard though.
> Things like , #, @, ", ' and ` are in different places for example. The
> French keyboard is quite different again. The A500 manual used has them all
> listed but it isn't in the A1200 manual, or at least I couldn't see it there.

You can always use "keyShow" in Tools to check your current keyboard
layout.
> 
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
> AFB: All polls MUST have dates!
> 
> 
> 

On 26-Oct-99, ALGY wrote:

>> :-) It's normal. The UK keyboard is not the same as the US keyboard th=
ough.
>> Things like =A3, #, @, ", ' and ` are in different places for example.=
 The
>> French keyboard is quite different again. The A500 manual used has the=
m all
>> listed but it isn't in the A1200 manual, or at least I couldn't see it=

>there.

>You can always use "keyShow" in Tools to check your current keyboard
>layout.

Thanks for the suggestion but I know my current keyboard layout.
Fortunately I still have an A500 manual. Keyshow shows the current keyboa=
rd
layout as you say so it isn't really designed for showing the difference
between various international keyboards, which is what I was discussing.

> 
>> Am I the only person who has upgraded from an 030 to 040 and found
>> very little performance gain? I expected things to be faster, and,
>> granted, they are, but not that much. I guess OXYPATCH is a must,
>> huh?

its made me feel better I was going to from '30 to '40 but decided to go to
Blizzard 1260/50 Thank God I did brill' also loads of ram now got 2 simm
slots one 32mb one 16mb

                 Cheers all the best

                       Ken 




  

Hi Neil,

>> There was going to be a special version of Miami for OS3.5, but H&P and
>> Holger Kruse ran out of time to put it in. There may well be a special
>> version in the future, but it still wouldn't be as good as the registered
>> version (why would Holger make a version that was as good that he got no
>> money from?).

> I thought Holger was getting paid for the OEM version...

The point was that this special version would never be as good as the proper
registered version...

All the best,
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computing suicide...

Hi Andrew,

>>> Why are we not allowed to send the CU serial to the list?
>> 
>> Good question, shame no-one has a half decent answer

>   I cant see why not, seeing as it was supposed to be printed in the mag
> anyway

> (anyway, whos gonna stop people emailing anyone who wants it privately?)

Finally, someone reaches the same conclusion as was reached the last two
times this subject was raised on this list. Can we call an end to Cinema 4D
again, please?!

All the best,
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Exactly A Rocket Scientist

>> BT should *never* have been privitised IMO.

> did you ever try getting a phone installed or finding a working pay phone
> before this when the Post Office ran it. It was a bloody joke I know BT might
> have some faults but there a million times better than before.

> I'm 44 so can remember

Hi Ken
My point was that when they sold it off and it became private, things improved -
so why did they have to sell it off for that to happen?  Surely they could have
just run it *as if* it were a private company but keep it government owned.

RobM

Hi Patrice,

>  O.K. I give up, and order it next week ( i.e. as soon as ADFI get it;
> they said it should arrive in France on Monday )
>  St=E9phane from AmigaImpact told us all that it was a matter of life o=
r
> death for the Amiga, and I must say I didn't like the argument too much=
,
> since we were really expecting a lot more after all these years.
>  But to be honest, I would gladly pay that much for a couple of useful
> patches, so why not buy the "official" product everyone was waiting for=
?

It *is* a matter of life and death. This isn't just some ploy to drive up=

sales, it's a statement of fact. No purchasers of OS3.5, no OS3.6, 3.7,
etc. where whoever's doing the OS can really start to build on what was
added in OS3.5... I hate the Amiga being put in this position, but, just
like Blittersoft's experiences with FusionPPC, it's time that people put
their money where their mouths are...

All the best,
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Hi MARRISR@uk.ibm.com,


> My point was that when they sold it off and it became private, things
> improved - so why did they have to sell it off for that to happen? Surely
> they could have just run it *as if* it were a private company but keep it
> government owned.

It's a nice idea, but it's never happened in the past. Even the NHS, which
is still undergoing throes of private-style management, is still crap
(although it's better than any similar service in the world).

All the best,
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>> My point was that when they sold it off and it became private, things
>> improved - so why did they have to sell it off for that to happen? Surely
>> they could have just run it *as if* it were a private company but keep it
>> government owned.

> It's a nice idea, but it's never happened in the past. Even the NHS, which
> is still undergoing throes of private-style management, is still crap
> (although it's better than any similar service in the world).

Twue, twue..... but what if they'd privatised it and the gov kept 51%?  It would
still be goverment owned but it would be run exactly as it is now - and they'd
have direct control over call costs.
Don't even get me started on the NHS....!

RobM

On Wed, 27 Oct 1999 13:23:39 +0100 (BST), Alan L.M. Buxey (kcci1@central.susx.ac.uk) wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 27 Oct 1999 MARRISR@uk.ibm.com wrote:
> 
> > Old news mate - the Tempest system's been around for years.... how do you think
> > *real* TV detector vans work!?
> 
> only now has official NSA documentation been released....and TV
> detection is a doddle...compared to the high bandwidth detection
> required for a SVGA monitor 

Ummm, I thought TV detection was a swindle - in the background, a computer
compared lists of people who have TV's (you have to submit your name and
address when you buy a TV or video, by law I think) and people who have
bought a licence (and the type), and it could tell straight away who had a
colour TV but a B&W licence, or no licence at all!!

/me hides his TV set, quick ...

"It's a new-age lamp, ossifer!"

Kev

PS We do have a TV licence here really.  Well, i hope my dad does  ;-)

-- 
Kevin "Redvers" Fairhurst - ICQ 14701124

> On Wed, 27 Oct 1999 david.plunkett@earthling.net wrote:
> 
> > I've read in a few spots now that the version of Miami on 
> > OS3.5 is the demo.
> > 
> > Does this mean it warns after 30 minutes and times out after 1 hour?
> 
> oh dear. here we go. this is what happens when people spout rubbish
> about 'demo' 
> 
> in answer, no its not a demo. 

No, it *is* the demo. Because Holger didn't finish the OS3.5 release
in time. But we'll get that later.

-- 
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Has anyone received thier copy from Blittersoft yet?  I pre-ordered
ages ago and it hasnt arrived yet.  (Im not impatient, just wondering.)

Bifford the Youngest.

P.S. Bought AmigActive 2 this morning - its a lot fuller than the first
one aint it?

> Hi Everybody,
> 
> > Erm. There is NO backdoor(s) in miami. D(ickhead)C(orperation) said
> > there was but it was caused by a hacked datatypes.library.
> 
> I thought that if users were using the known pirated key 
> file, it sent their email address to that anti pirate 
> organisation that I've forgotten the name of.

1) Miami does not keep a database of email details. Where would
it get your address from?

2) Miami's protection scheme is MUCH more devious than bringing
up a connection to some computer on the 'net. It does freaky
things to your system, it sometimes provokes crashes, it KNOWS
when you're not using an official keyfile, but it'll let you
get REAAAALLY slow connections anyway.

> Although, maybe pirates added a back door to it and just 
> lotsa people used the pirate version?  (naughty naughty)

No, Miami has and never will have a backdoor, whether cracked
or not. Pirates crack the keyfiles, and spread those, not the
executable. The trick is what they do when you install THEIR
updates to software you have, and watch THEM open connections
if you use Miami..
 
-- 
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> > > > I meant 'standard' as in without using newicon.library, like
> > > > DOpus 5.11 did before it crashed and then strangely managed
> > > > to delete itself when it started back up again.. 
> > > 
> > > DOpus 5.11 didn't handle NewIcons at all, neither did 5.5.
> 
> > No, but they still displayed them. Because the Newicons
> > patch is installed, DOpus just gets an image back from the
> > library that is a nicely colour remapped Newicon.
> 
> Hang on, first you say it didn't use the library, not you say it did.

Yeah, icon.library, the same way as Workbench and all the other tasks
did it. It doesn't work if you don't run C:NewIcons, obviously, but
DOpus unwittingly calls icon.library, and gets a NewIcon back (in
standard icon form)

> > Obviously if you don't install the patch, it doesn't work,
> > but in a sense it 'handled' newicons because it didn't use
> > custom code to read icon data out of the files, instead
> > using the (newicons patched) icon.library functions..
> 
> And how is that different from all versions of Opus since 
> then? Magellan introduce native NewIcon handling, but it
> still used the library. Nothing changed in that respect.

Because Magellan now does newicons through newicon.library,
and not through icon.library..?

Ah forget it. I could use NewIcons in Dopus way before Magellan.
That's all I meant.

-- 
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester 

> Ummm, I thought TV detection was a swindle - in the background, a computer
> compared lists of people who have TV's (you have to submit your name and
> address when you buy a TV or video, by law I think) and people who have
> bought a licence (and the type), and it could tell straight away who had a
> colour TV but a B&W licence, or no licence at all!!

That's why I said "*real*" detector vans - the bulk of their work *is* with list
of people from a computer - but watch out for the vans with loads of arials...

> /me hides his TV set, quick ...

> "It's a new-age lamp, ossifer!"

Ah, just eat the set when they come 'round!
Actually, the licence people have *no right* to enter your house without either
your permission or a warrant, so if you don't have one, refuse them entry and go
get one quick!  They can't touch you...

RobM

 
> > only now has official NSA documentation been released....and TV
> > detection is a doddle...compared to the high bandwidth detection
> > required for a SVGA monitor 
> 
> Ummm, I thought TV detection was a swindle

No, it's a BIT more complicated..

> - in the background, a computer compared lists of people who have TV's
> (you have to submit your name and address when you buy a TV or video,
> by law I think)

The reason people like Dixons take your name is for your credit rating.
If you buy a 32" NICAM Widescreen TV in cash, then you obviously get a
decent credit rating. If you pay by Switch and the bank refuse to pay
(because you drew all your money out that morning) then they tell the
credit people you can't be trusted. Simple.

> and people who have bought a licence (and the type),
> and it could tell straight away who had a colour TV but a B&W licence,
> or no licence at all!!

It's easy. They have a big list of people who have TV licenses, and your
address is on it. They get their big van out, which detects whether you
are watching TV (they can tell that, it's easy when you know how, it's
all frequency patterns and stuff) and they cross check each house with
the big computer.

If you have a TV license, they ignore you.

If you're watching TV and your house isn't on the list - they go in
and arrest you for illegally receiving televisual transmission-ness :)

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> Has anyone received thier copy from Blittersoft yet?  I pre-ordered
> ages ago and it hasnt arrived yet.  (Im not impatient, just 
> wondering.)

I got mine. I preordered they day they started preorders, so I may
have been at the top (or near it) of a big list of people to send
copies to. It arrived on Tuesday..

If you ordered afterward, maybe they're only just getting down to
you?

It should be with you soon, I'd expect..

> P.S. Bought AmigActive 2 this morning - its a lot fuller than 
> the first one aint it?

Shouldn't you be on the AmiGactive list for that kind of chat?

-- 
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> > /me hides his TV set, quick ...
> >
> > "It's a new-age lamp, ossifer!"
> 
> Actually, the licence people have *no right* to enter your 
> house without either your permission or a warrant, so if
> you don't have one,  refuse them entry and go get one
> quick!  They can't touch you...

They can, because they can prove that your were watching TV
on a day when you didn't have a license - if you go out and
GET a license, it proves their point and you promptly get
fined a few hundred quid - why do they need to see inside
your house to see if you have a TV, when you rush out and
buy a license for it?

I've seen it happen, you can't escape - unless you buy
a license anyway :)

-- 
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Hello,

Can anyone tell me if the serial port on the A4000 is better than the 
one on the A1200 ?

I understand that the A1200 serial port has a very small buffer so 
that it can't manage very high data rates and bogs down the CPU, is 
the port on the A4000 the same ?

Basically I now want my machine using a 3Com 56K modem and 
am wondering if I need to get a serial I/O board to do it properly.

Thanks in advance

Mark

> Can anyone tell me if the serial port on the A4000 is better than the 
> one on the A1200 ?

No, it's no better, apart from the fact that it's got an 030 or an 040
on it by default, rather than a shoddy ol' 020. Which means you get
better throughput on a bog standard machine, but the hardware is the
same IIRC.
 
> I understand that the A1200 serial port has a very small buffer so 
> that it can't manage very high data rates and bogs down the CPU, is 
> the port on the A4000 the same ?

Just about.

> Basically I now want my machine using a 3Com 56K modem and 
> am wondering if I need to get a serial I/O board to do it properly.

Oh yes. Serial ports are a must anyway :) Any serial i/o card will
be faster than a standard Amiga serial port, and will probably save
you money in the long run because it can practically double transfer
rate (the modem doesn't have to 'slow' the data to get into the
computer, it can just stream at full speed)

-- 
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Hi Mark,

> Can anyone tell me if the serial port on the A4000 is better than the 
> one on the A1200 ?

Nope. It's basically the same.

> Basically I now want my machine using a 3Com 56K modem and 
> am wondering if I need to get a serial I/O board to do it properly.

You would have had to for your A1200 as well.

All the best,
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             PGP key available upon request
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Blind dogs for the Guides appeal launched

> > Has anyone received thier copy from Blittersoft yet?  I pre-ordered
> > ages ago and it hasnt arrived yet.  (Im not impatient, just 
> > wondering.)
> 
> I got mine. I preordered they day they started preorders, so I may
> have been at the top (or near it) of a big list of people to send
> copies to. It arrived on Tuesday..
> 
> If you ordered afterward, maybe they're only just getting down to
> you?

Good.  I didnt think they'd loose an order. Just putting my mind at ease


> 
> It should be with you soon, I'd expect..
> 
> > P.S. Bought AmigActive 2 this morning - its a lot fuller than 
> > the first one aint it?
> 
> Shouldn't you be on the AmiGactive list for that kind of chat?

Why?  So what if this is the AF list.  Bit of healthy competition never
hurt anyone.  And anyway, Plugging another Amiga product has to be good
for the industry wherever its done.

Bifford the Youngest.

P.S.  Dont know if I'll ever get around to sending my startup lists to
you Matt - but then you`ve so many others by now it probably wont
matter if I dont send it for a while!

> The reason people like Dixons take your name is for your credit rating.
> If you buy a 32" NICAM Widescreen TV in cash, then you obviously get a
> decent credit rating. If you pay by Switch and the bank refuse to pay
> (because you drew all your money out that morning) then they tell the
> credit people you can't be trusted. Simple.

Sorry to disagree....
That's part of the reason, but they also have to pass the names to the licence
people, which is why when you buy a new TV you'll sometimes get a letter off
them asking why you don't have a licence....

RobM

>> Actually, the licence people have *no right* to enter your
>> house without either your permission or a warrant, so if
>> you don't have one,  refuse them entry and go get one
>> quick!  They can't touch you...

> They can, because they can prove that your were watching TV
> on a day when you didn't have a license - if you go out and

No, the Tempest isn't accurate enough (for a court) to prove it was you -
there's hundreds of TVs on the go in any given street; EM interference isn't
directional....

> GET a license, it proves their point and you promptly get
> fined a few hundred quid - why do they need to see inside
> your house to see if you have a TV, when you rush out and
> buy a license for it?

In this and most countries they have to prove you were watching it.  The tempest
isn't proof alone, and once you have a licence they'll drop it.

> I've seen it happen, you can't escape - unless you buy
> a license anyway :)

I've seen it happen too - buy a licence once they've called around and you're
safe (this is in no way a guarantee.....).

RobM

> In this and most countries they have to prove you were watching it.  The
tempest
> isn't proof alone, and once you have a licence they'll drop it.


Oops - that didn't come out right....
what I meant in the first sentence was "in most countries they have to prove
you're guilty of the crime, not just infer it (in this case from the fact that
you don't have a licence)" - it's possible you didn't have a TV at the time and
bough a licence when you acquired the tele (unlikely, yes, but legal matters are
all about things that can be proved beyond reasonable doubt)

RobM

On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, Matthew O'Neill wrote:

> Put simply, I'm 18, and want to be 18 when it finishes.

:-)
 
> 5k/sec on 2 serial ports is a big no-no. 1,000,000,000/5,000 = 200,000
> seconds = 55 hours = no

5k/sec ?? only with a modem! If you have a direct serial connection,
hell, even sernet!, you can put data across them much faster than that
in direct mode :-)

alan

Matthew O'Neill said, 

> Hi Neil

>>> MUI IS the standard,

>> No it isn't.

> bollocks! All the decent browsers/irc clients/ mailer use MUI.

That may make it popular, but it doesn't make it standard. Show me an
official document that states MUI is a standard interface.


>>> everything uses mui

>> Don't be silly, there's lots of non-MUI software out there.

> In the same way there are alot of 3 wheeled cars. All the better net
> software uses MUI, deny it

I deny it, but who mentioned the net? You said 2everything". Does
Imagine use MUI? Does WordWorth use MUI? Do Photogenics and ImageFX use
MUI?

Does Workbench use MUI?


Neil
-- 
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The UK's first Amiga-only internet access provider
http://www.wire.net.uk
-- 
Monday is the root of all evil!

Paul Cundle said, 

> The name's Bothwick, Neil Bothwick, licence to email.

>> Chris Wiles knows about the problem and its cause, but there's nothin he
>> can do for a couple of weeks, until the duplicators run off another
>> batch of CDs. Until then, the solution is to get pre4 from Vapor as
>> you've already done.

> Just out of interest, and not actually specifically concerning Active,
> would the person (in this case Chris W) who ordered to CD's get new
> copies done free - seeing as it was the duplicators who apparently
> 'made a boo boo'?

He should be entitled to a lot more than that. There's the cost of
sending out all the replacements, the time it takes, the time taken
handling all the questions about it in the meantime and the potential
loss of sales.

> Paul C, watching his language

Why? What's it doing?


Neil
-- 
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The UK's first Amiga-only internet access provider
http://www.wire.net.uk
-- 
"Bother" said Rue, as Tigger flamed him

Ben Vost said, 

> Hi Neil,

>>> There was going to be a special version of Miami for OS3.5, but H&P and
>>> Holger Kruse ran out of time to put it in. There may well be a special
>>> version in the future, but it still wouldn't be as good as the registered
>>> version (why would Holger make a version that was as good that he got no
>>> money from?).

>> I thought Holger was getting paid for the OEM version...

> The point was that this special version would never be as good as the proper
> registered version...

Why didn't you say that then? :)

It's like some of the other software, the OEM version is better than the
demo but not as featured as the full version... assuming the OEM version
of Miami shows up this millennium.


Neil
-- 
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The UK's first Amiga-only internet access provider
http://www.wire.net.uk
-- 
What you don't know can hurt you, only you won't know it.

On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, Matthew O'Neill wrote:

> In the same way there are alot of 3 wheeled cars. All the better net
> software uses MUI, deny it

AWeb, Miami, Thor....3 very good packages that can be run MUI free

alan

Hi Neil,

> It's like some of the other software, the OEM version is better than the
> demo but not as featured as the full version... assuming the OEM version
> of Miami shows up this millennium.

Well that leaves him a year and two months then... :)

All the best,
-- 
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Editor, Amiga Format            F: (+44) 01225 732275
             PGP key available upon request
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Blind dogs for the Guides appeal launched

On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, Matthew O'Neill wrote:

> It's because most people read the mail at work/college and you can't use the
> page there without leaving your details in the cookie without allowing
> anyone else to use it. simple really

ermmm...profiles. Thats also why I like NeoPlanet...you can define
proper profiles even for a single Windows login user. Anyway...half of
my votes are done at home on my Amiga

alan

>> of Miami shows up this millennium.

> Well that leaves him a year and two months then... :)

Now we'll get 200 people saying "Wah..?  Surely just 2 months...." - still, it's
better to be correct!

RobM

On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, Jonathan Day wrote:

> As I said before, I hold no grudge against Power, they`ve done me good
> service in the past, but I`ve never had trouble with Eyetech so I`ll stick
> with them.

well, its good that we still have choices :-)

alan - who orders from whoever

> > As I said before, I hold no grudge against Power, they`ve done me
good
> > service in the past, but I`ve never had trouble with Eyetech so
I`ll stick
> > with them.
> 
> well, its good that we still have choices :-)
> 
I bought my Amiga from Power, who supplied me with a keyboard interface
that only allows one keypress at a time, except for qualifier keys. Can
anyone tell me where I can find an interface which will let me turn and
walk in DooM? 

On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, Patrice Champarou wrote:

>   St=E9phane from AmigaImpact told us all that it was a matter of life or
> death for the Amiga, and I must say I didn't like the argument too much,
> since we were really expecting a lot more after all these years.

dont forget that AmigaOS 3.5 *hasnt* been under development since os3.1
- if it had, we'd all be expecting a wonderous, fantastic thing. its
been under development for approx. 6 months. as such, they had to get
to grips with the OS etc and I think what they've done with the OS seems
to be fine and i'd rate it as a successful operation

alan

Hi MARRISR@uk.ibm.com,

>> Well that leaves him a year and two months then... :)

> Now we'll get 200 people saying "Wah..? Surely just 2 months...." - still,
> it's better to be correct!

I don't necessarily think it is correct. To be honest I couldn't give a
toss, but I just like stirring things up... >:)

All the best,
-- 
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             PGP key available upon request
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Excuse for the day: daemons did it

Hi Rob,

 > what I meant in the first sentence was "in most countries they have to prove
> you're guilty of the crime, not just infer it (in this case from the fact that
> you don't have a licence)" - it's possible you didn't have a TV at the time and

Pah ! Just do what Vivian did in The Young Ones and eat the telly.
Gets 'em every time.

Cheers,

Eddie

> I don't necessarily think it is correct. To be honest I couldn't give a
> toss, but I just like stirring things up... >:)

It is - it's not this new year's eve but the one after...
Ben Vost - on a wind-up?  Who'd have thought!

RobM

Hello Everyone.

Just seen this on Czech Amiga News. Look like Gateway/Amiga could be in
a spot of bother....

.....The Amiga Dealer's Association is suing Gateway/AmigaInc. for
various reasons, read on in this exclusive articleby Mark Tierno from
Amiga Information Online (AIO) webpage! 

I won't qoute the whole text because that would be unfair to everyone
here, Howerver the direct URL is...

http://www.aio.co.uk/241099.html

Have a look and tell me what you think. Personally I feel that they may
as well go ahead since as far as I am concerned Gateway have killed the
Amiga anyhow.
(read the article first, you'll understand what I mean)

Regards

Mikey C

On 27 Oct 1999, Paul Cundle wrote:

> You must remember, Ben, that you work in journalism and so you're used
> to amazing results with scanners/printers etc. To me, and I suspect a
> lot of other people, poor quality is often sufficient.

simple test. Scan in a photo..and print it out at the same size as the
original. a good scanner and printer will give you the same photo

alan

Hi michael.carrillo@ukonline.co.uk,

> Just seen this on Czech Amiga News. Look like Gateway/Amiga could be in
> a spot of bother....

> .....The Amiga Dealer's Association is suing Gateway/AmigaInc. for
> various reasons, read on in this exclusive articleby Mark Tierno from
> Amiga Information Online (AIO) webpage! 

Yes, I read this and all the legalese that accompanies it, and it doesn't
quite ring true for me. Other than the bad spelling and grammar in the
legalese, I've never heard of this ADA, nor do I know anyone who has (not a
cue for Mark and Lard stuff again, I promise).

All the best,
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             PGP key available upon request
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Excuse for the day: configuration error

> Pah ! Just do what Vivian did in The Young Ones and eat the telly.
> Gets 'em every time.

You obivously didn't read my earlier post Eddie!

RobM

This hack is a pain in the backside isn't it? The problem is that  I
can't do without it now as Workbench will look ugly. It does have an
annoying high crashing rate. Is there anything I can do to fix this,
like change the position of it in the Startup Sequence. Any ideas?

*Hello M.*

*On 28-Oct-99, you mailed me about [afb] Re: TV Licences - again... (was PGP? no use!), so here's my reply..*

> I've seen it happen, you can't escape - unless you buy
> a license anyway :)

/me wonders whether it would be possible to create a device to
absorb/reflect all outgoing signals from the aerials, thusly stopping them
reaching the TV Detector (assuming the ywork like this ;)

*bYe nOw!*
*GazChap.*
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#ICQ#: *52909563*  #IRC#: *Undernet, GazChap*

What is "scratch" and why can everything be made from it?

 > > Pah ! Just do what Vivian did in The Young Ones and eat the telly.
> > Gets 'em every time.

> You obivously didn't read my earlier post Eddie!

Sorry Rob, just jumped straight out of bed, and went for it  -
should've known a fellow afb-movie resident would've got that gag in
early on  ;)

Cheers,

Eddie (so you're *supposed* to have a TV licence then ?)

> /me wonders whether it would be possible to create a device to
> absorb/reflect all outgoing signals from the aerials, thusly stopping them
> reaching the TV Detector (assuming the ywork like this ;)

In theory all you need do is block/absorb all the RF interference the TV puts
out - but that would mean covering the screen too - unless your house has
tin-foil wallpaper!

RobM

On Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:55:47 +0100, fool wrote:

> > Yeah, any chance of having the video DAC chip (U30 next to the video
> > port)? It might be tricky to remove in one piece though.
> 
> Desoldering surface mounted chips (without killing them) is a bit beyond me
> (well, probably) - besides, it's something on the mobo that's dead (never did
> figure out what) so I couldn't guarantee it'd work anyway (and it's already
> got a little yellow wire attached...).

Hi fool,

Could you tell if the problem was video related at all and if the
video DAC is likely to be dead? The yellow wire sounds like some kind
of hack, it's not on the chip I'm after though is it?

> But, I'll have a look at removing it and, if I can get it out in one piece,
> it's yours if you still want it.

If it's probably dead I'll get the one Patrice is offering me,
otherwise I'll have it., thanks.
-- 

Mark - mlynn@ukonline.co.uk

On Tue, 26 Oct 1999 22:51:38 +0100, Patrice Champarou wrote:

Hello Patrice,

> > Yeah, any chance of having the video DAC chip (U30 next to the video
> > port)? It might be tricky to remove in one piece though.

>   If you like, I can send you the piece of motherboard, and you'll manage to
> remove it yourself. I love buying second-hand, so I got that board for 20;
> I don't use it, 'cause the mouse refuses to move, but I've kept the 3.1 eproms
> that had been left on it :-)

Thanks for your reply. I'm waiting to see what fool says about his and
I'll let you know if I want it.
-- 

Mark - mlynn@ukonline.co.uk

On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, Peter Gordon wrote:

> >  No, we would have all be extinct by the time it finished rendering ;)
> 
> Actually, Amiga's were used when modelling the dinosaurs for Jurassic Park (although not the actual rendering), and they looked FAR less fake and crappy.

I heard that an A4000 was used to create an animation of a skeleton T. rex
performing a run cycle and it looked so good it convinced Spielberg et al
that the CG dinos would look good. I didn't think they used it for
anything else. The modelling was done by scanning scale models of the
dinos, wasn't it?

MarkH

On 28 Oct 1999, Oliver Marks wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Can anyone tell me what is happening to the value that is stored int
> the variable num1 ?

nothing happens....you've defined it as a single character - but try to
read in a string, but then its just printed when you've asked it to

alan

On Thu, 28 Oct 1999 riksweeney@hotmail.com wrote:
> I bought my Amiga from Power, who supplied me with a keyboard interface
> that only allows one keypress at a time, except for qualifier keys. Can
> anyone tell me where I can find an interface which will let me turn and
> walk in DooM? 

  The power computing one that fits into the ribbon slot works, unlike the
one that came with my Michronic (sic) tower that didn't work in the
slightest.  That was one of the snap the motherboard whilst trying to
press it over the wrong chip jobbies.  (Well, common sense told me that it
should go over the chip with keyboard written on it!)

  It's the one on the left in this image: 
	http://www.powerc.com/amiga/chips/Interface2.jpg

  I think that Eyetech's EZ Key is similar.


bye,
  Chris

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On Thu, 28 Oct 1999, Ben Vost wrote:

> added in OS3.5... I hate the Amiga being put in this position, but, just
> like Blittersoft's experiences with FusionPPC, it's time that people put
> their money where their mouths are...

FusionPPC was priced too high for just an 'addon module' which stopped a
lot of potential buyers (like me), enough orders went through though
iirc - but the product still hasnt been released last time i looked

alan

On Thu, 28 Oct 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> No, it *is* the demo. Because Holger didn't finish the OS3.5 release
> in time. But we'll get that later.

to clarify: When you buy OS3.5 you do get a demo...but you are , in
fact, paying for an OEM Miami - it is just delayed by a bit.
Anyone without a stack can use the timeout that comes with OS3.5 to get
the full version later

alan

On Thu, 28 Oct 1999 sam@biffordyoungest.u-net.com wrote:

> Has anyone received thier copy from Blittersoft yet?  I pre-ordered
> ages ago and it hasnt arrived yet.  (Im not impatient, just wondering.)
> 
> Bifford the Youngest.
> 
> P.S. Bought AmigActive 2 this morning - its a lot fuller than the first
> one aint it?

must pop downtown quickly :-)


alan

On Thu, 28 Oct 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> If you're watching TV and your house isn't on the list - they go in
> and arrest you for illegally receiving televisual transmission-ness :)

only if they can detect your TV signal...now, if you're using a nice
little device from HK which can view NTSC,PAL,SECAM and viewing it on a
80Hz output things get a little harder for them.....apparently :-)

alan

On Thu, 28 Oct 1999 MARRISR@uk.ibm.com wrote:

> Sorry to disagree....
> That's part of the reason, but they also have to pass the names to the licence
> people, which is why when you buy a new TV you'll sometimes get a letter off
> them asking why you don't have a licence....

..but the TV was a present for my mother...so why *should* I have a
liscence? ;-)


alan

Hi Alan,

>> added in OS3.5... I hate the Amiga being put in this position, but, just
>> like Blittersoft's experiences with FusionPPC, it's time that people put
>> their money where their mouths are...

> FusionPPC was priced too high for just an 'addon module' which stopped a
> lot of potential buyers (like me), enough orders went through though
> iirc - but the product still hasnt been released last time i looked

That's not the point. There were 600 or so pre-orders for it, out of which
about 250 people actually paid. These 600 knew how much it was, pre-ordered
and then didn't want to pay. That's lieing in my book.

As for it not being released, well, no, it isn't, but then it's not supposed
to be yet. The release date is supposed to be the middle of November.

All the best,
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uh oh! Part of this tagline is umop apisdn

On 28 Oct 1999, Neil Bothwick wrote:

> Does Workbench use MUI?

exactly. since the OS GUI doesnt use MUI, it's still classed as a 3rd
party API extension...and kept out of the OS distribution

alan

On Thu, 28 Oct 1999, Ben Vost wrote:

> > It's like some of the other software, the OEM version is better than the
> > demo but not as featured as the full version... assuming the OEM version
> > of Miami shows up this millennium.
> 
> Well that leaves him a year and two months then... :)

hurrah! Another person not caught up on incorrect media cr*p - cant
beleive that the BBC even stooped so low :-|

alan

On Thu, 28 Oct 1999 riksweeney@hotmail.com wrote:

> I bought my Amiga from Power, who supplied me with a keyboard interface
> that only allows one keypress at a time, except for qualifier keys. Can
> anyone tell me where I can find an interface which will let me turn and
> walk in DooM? 

newer interfaces...latest Ateo one - i think the new Eyetech and Power
ones do now too

alan

On Thu, 28 Oct 1999, Ben Vost wrote:

> Yes, I read this and all the legalese that accompanies it, and it doesn't
> quite ring true for me. Other than the bad spelling and grammar in the
> legalese, I've never heard of this ADA, nor do I know anyone who has (not a
> cue for Mark and Lard stuff again, I promise).

well, it could be yet another big hoax thing...Amiga seem to be a valid
target for this :-|

but , yes, never heard of ADA ...or this story of Amigas being sold by
Amiga which contained recycled parts etc etc

alan

hi,

> In theory all you need do is block/absorb all the RF interference the TV puts
> out - but that would mean covering the screen too - unless your house has
> tin-foil wallpaper!

live in a government nuclear shelter with the ole lead lined walls

alan

On Thu, 28 Oct 1999, Ben Vost wrote:

> That's not the point. There were 600 or so pre-orders for it, out of which
> about 250 people actually paid. These 600 knew how much it was, pre-ordered
> and then didn't want to pay. That's lieing in my book.

well, several posts going to the USENET saying 'just click to
pre-purchase and save the Amiga' never help any cause.
 
> As for it not being released, well, no, it isn't, but then it's not supposed
> to be yet. The release date is supposed to be the middle of November.

end of sept. originally - and the PCX-PPC :-|

also, whats up with VillageTronic and their Voodoo PIV addon... out in
July? yeah... these pre-order ideas sound nice, but so far all of them
have become turkeys

alan

Hi Alan,

>> In theory all you need do is block/absorb all the RF interference the TV
>> puts out - but that would mean covering the screen too - unless your
>> house has tin-foil wallpaper!

> live in a government nuclear shelter with the ole lead lined walls

I already do, but you get shit reception...

All the best,
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>> No, it *is* the demo. Because Holger didn't finish the OS3.5 release
>> in time. But we'll get that later.

> to clarify: When you buy OS3.5 you do get a demo...but you are , in
> fact, paying for an OEM Miami - it is just delayed by a bit.

So after all the bickering a few weeks ago about demos and special eds it turns
out (quite by accident) that I was right all along.
Well I never.

RobM

"james potter" <jrpotte-@btinternet.com> wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=34298

> Having now installed the CDFS for OS3.5, can anyone tell me how to
change
> the CD0:CDDA icon that pops up whenever an audio CD is put in? The
default
> is really ugly.

Yes, it is possible, but I can't remember offhand how to do it (I can
check tonight though).  Try running SnoopDos with all options/tracking
on after a fresh restart (so there is nothing cached anywhere) and then
insert a cdda disk.  You should pick up the access to find the icon.

	Thom

Hello Alan

On 27-Oct-99, you wrote:
 
>> BT is only obligated to provide a speech circuit to its customers.
>> If someone orders a line and we have no spare lineplant in the area
>> and it would either take a long time or a lot of money to solution
>> then DACS is a fully OFTEL approved method of providing service.
> 
> seems a bit convenient that BT can install these devices which mean that
> the only way of getting a decent connection to the Net is via the BT
> ISDN solution (and forthcoming ADSL ...ha ha)........

Just about every person who's worth their salt have said that BT's ADSL
prices are the biggest rip-off in history. Now if we DID have competition
(we don't Oftel no matter what you say), I'd go for another company.
Trouble is, BT control the infrastructure and make it very hard to set up a
company offering ADSL at reasonable prices. :(
 
Regards

Hello Patrice

On 27-Oct-99, you wrote:

>> I installed it today and I'm very pleased with it so far.
> 
>  O.K. I give up, and order it next week ( i.e. as soon as ADFI get it;
> they said it should arrive in France on Monday )
>  Stephane from AmigaImpact told us all that it was a matter of life or
> death for the Amiga, and I must say I didn't like the argument too much,
> since we were really expecting a lot more after all these years.
>  But to be honest, I would gladly pay that much for a couple of useful
> patches, so why not buy the "official" product everyone was waiting for?

It cures the majority of the problems that you needed the patches for. Of
course you still need some patches. Computing wouldn't be the same without
them. :)

Regards

Hello Ben

On 27-Oct-99, you wrote:
 
>>> Don't be silly, there's lots of non-MUI software out there.
> 
>> Speaking of MUI. Now that 3.5 has been released is there any chance of
>> MUI 4.1 (assumed due to references in the amirc install script ;) ) this
>> year?
> 
> Only if Stuntzi is ready to release it.

How about an interview in AF?

Regards

Hello Ken

On 27-Oct-99, you wrote:

>> BT should *never* have been privitised IMO.  =

> =

> did you ever try getting a phone installed or finding a working pay pho=
ne
> before this when the Post Office ran it. It was a bloody joke I know BT=

> might have some faults but there a million times better than before.

It's now the fact that BT can get away with charging =A350+ a month for A=
DSL
that's a joke. :(
 =

> I'm 44 so can remember

I'll probably be 44 by the time I get to use a decent permanant connectio=
n
in the UK. :((
 =

Regards

Hello MARRISR@uk.ibm.com

On 27-Oct-99, you wrote:

>> BT is only obligated to provide a speech circuit to its customers.
>> If someone orders a line and we have no spare lineplant in the area
> <Snip>
> 
> Ok - that's BT's "official" side of the story... But surely if your modem
> has the green "Approved for use with BT...." sticker (which all should)
> you should *expect* your line to be able to cope with it?
> 
> BT should *never* have been privitised IMO. Communications are as vital as
> water and power.... hang on, they've gone too..... Says a lot about this
> country, doesn't it?

I don't mind the idea of Privatisation but they never should have given the
infrastructure on a plate. Now BT controls the local loop, where we need
competition, and charges a fortune to use it. :(
 
Regards

Hello Andrew

On 27-Oct-99, you wrote:

>> Erm. There is NO backdoor(s) in miami. D(ickhead)C(orperation) said there
>> was but it was caused by a hacked datatypes.library.
> 
>   I thought that if users were using the known pirated key file, it sent
> their email address to that anti pirate organisation that I've forgotten
> the name of.

It worked when you were online. The hacked datatype.library sent your login
and password to a yahoo e-mail account. A list of them was posted to
c.s.a.misc by the cracking team. They then claimed Holger did it using a
backdoor. It's only because Holger is active against piracy that they did
it, a bit of long running witchhunt. Perhaps we should refer to them as
Dickhead Corperation from now on. ;)
 
>   Although, maybe pirates added a back door to it and just lotsa people
> used the pirate version? (naughty naughty)

Whether you used a pirated version of Miami made no difference. It was the
hacked datatype.library that did the deed as it were.

Regards

*Hello tdc98@doc.ic.ac.uk*

*On 28-Oct-99, you mailed me about [afb] Re: def_CDDA?, so here's my reply..*

> Yes, it is possible, but I can't remember offhand how to do it (I can
> check tonight though).  Try running SnoopDos with all options/tracking
> on after a fresh restart (so there is nothing cached anywhere) and then
> insert a cdda disk.  You should pick up the access to find the icon.

IIRC its ENVARC:Sys/def_CDDAdisk.info

Needs to be a project icon with the CD Player as the default tool ;)> 

*bYe nOw!*
*GazChap.*
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How do I set my Laser printer to "Stun"?

amipal said, 

> I've never had any trouble with Arq messing up my miggy, even with
> various patches. I tried out ReqAttack, as suggested, and it proved,
> hm, disappointing. All I want is for my requesters to look
> half-descent: I don't want some arcane scripting or smiling faces!

You can use any images you like for the buttons, and you don't have to
use the scripting.


Neil
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amipal said, 

> Since the BVision may *never* come, I'll wait until I get the thing
> before ordering CGFX4.1: I've already got Wipout2097 on pre-order!

How will you run Wipeout without a BVision card?


Neil
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Sealey, M. said, 

>> And how is that different from all versions of Opus since 
>> then? Magellan introduce native NewIcon handling, but it
>> still used the library. Nothing changed in that respect.

> Because Magellan now does newicons through newicon.library,
> and not through icon.library..?

As does the NewIcons patch :)

You end up going down the same road, whichever turning you take at the
start. It's only OS 3.5 that knows a different route.


Neil
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> > The point was that this special version would never be as good as
the > > proper registered version...

What's different about the registered version apart from there's no
time limit?

MARRISR said, 

> So after all the bickering a few weeks ago about demos and special eds it
> turns out (quite by accident) that I was right all along. Well I never.

Nope. Because the Special Edition and Demos *are* different, and it's
only Miami that's being supplied with the demo, not the other software.


Neil
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typewriters will eventually reproduce the works of Shakespeare.
Now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true.

Ben Vost said, 

> Hi Neil,

>> It's like some of the other software, the OEM version is better than the
>> demo but not as featured as the full version... assuming the OEM version
>> of Miami shows up this millennium.

> Well that leaves him a year and two months then... :)

I know, that's what I meant :)


Neil
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MARRISR said, 

>> I don't necessarily think it is correct. To be honest I couldn't give a
>> toss, but I just like stirring things up... >:)

> It is - it's not this new year's eve but the one after...

We all know that, but we're keeping quiet.

We'll wait until after the party at the end of this year before
admitting it, then start planning the real millennium party.


Neil
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The UK's first Amiga-only internet access provider
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-- 
April Fools! You're really in a holodeck simulation!

Hi all

I'm trying to do a few screen grabs of Genetic Species (wow, what a game!).

I'm using AGA to play the game, and all I get when I grab is a black box.
PPaaint lists GS under the grab box, but nothing.

Is this because of RTG?  Anyone know how to do it?

Thanks

On 28 Oct 1999, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> We'll wait until after the party at the end of this year before
> admitting it, then start planning the real millennium party.

  Then celebrate at the prospect of never having to hear Prince warbling
"we're going to party like it's 1999" ever again.  Thankfully.  Actually,
I don't think that most people are worried whether it's the start of the
new Millennium or not.  It's a year with 3 zeros at the end, that's why
people are getting excited.

  Perhaps all our Amigas will dissapear in a puff of smoke due to the Y2K
bug in all machines that causes it to ignite when the Twiglet protection
ends.  Any twiglet, or related snack (pretzels will do), within a 20 meter
radius reacts with the hidden waves of snack calls.  These echos, hitherto
unheard, will be the end of us all.  ALL!  Our number's up I tell ya!

  Perhaps not.

bye,
  Chris

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> On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, Patrice Champarou wrote:
>=20
> > St=E9phane from AmigaImpact told us all that it was a=20
> > matter of life or death for the Amiga, and I must
> > say I didn't like the argument too much, since we
> > were really expecting a lot more after all these
> > years.
>=20
> dont forget that AmigaOS 3.5 *hasnt* been under development=20
> since os3.1 - if it had, we'd all be expecting a wonderous,
> fantastic thing. its been under development for approx. 6
> months. as such, they had to get to grips with the OS etc

Errmm.. given the people on the team, they didn't have to
do *much* 'getting to grips with the OS'. Olaf Barthel is
practically Amiga personified, he knows it inside out and
back to front. Chris Aldi and the ClassAct people know
BOOPSI inside out, too, and Haage & Partner know enough
about printer drivers to write a few :)

> and I think what they've done with  the OS seems to be fine
> and i'd rate it as a successful operation

So would I :)

--=20
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk=20
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> This hack is a pain in the backside isn't it? The problem is that  I
> can't do without it now as Workbench will look ugly. It does have an
> annoying high crashing rate. Is there anything I can do to fix this,
> like change the position of it in the Startup Sequence. Any ideas?

It works fine on my Amiga.

Are you running FBlit, NewIcons or any other patch that patches
Draw() (MCP QuickDraw for example)? 

Where *is* it in your startup-sequence?

You *do* have SetMan installed, don't you?

And how the hell do you know *Birdie* is crashing your
Amiga? Prove it's Birdie!

-- 
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

>> So after all the bickering a few weeks ago about demos and special eds it
>> turns out (quite by accident) that I was right all along. Well I never.

> Nope. Because the Special Edition and Demos *are* different, and it's
> only Miami that's being supplied with the demo, not the other software.

Nope.  Miami is being supplied as a demo.  I said it was.  Everyone said it
wasn't.
But it is - therefore I was right (I admit it was accidental, but I was right
nevertheless).

RobM

>> It is - it's not this new year's eve but the one after...

> We all know that, but we're keeping quiet.

Not everyone knows - you'd be surprised the number of people who disbelieve...

> We'll wait until after the party at the end of this year before
> admitting it, then start planning the real millennium party.

Hey hey - every day's a party!

RobM

>>....and that's what I get from you and the others EVERY SINGLE DAY!!

>>Bob "wot no banter" Bobsta

> Yeah and whose fault is that you raving Boboon.

What, it's supposed to be mine???

> "His name was Boboon, He was a showgirl..."
> Ha! That's told ya!

Ah shuddduppp!!

Bob

> > > So after all the bickering a few weeks ago about demos and 
> > > special eds it turns out (quite by accident) that I was
> > > right all along. Well I never.
> 
> > Nope. Because the Special Edition and Demos *are* different,
> > and it's only Miami that's being supplied with the demo, not
> > the other software.
> 
> Nope.  Miami is being supplied as a demo.

Didn't he just say that?

> I said it was.  Everyone said it wasn't.

It wasn't :) You *were* wrong. The intention is still to supply
a Special Edition of Miami (which will probably be hardcoded to
only work with OS3.5 enhancements installed), and therefore
you're STILL wrong.

The Miami on the CD is there to fill a gap, nothing more. It
is not intended to be the 'TCP/IP stack with OS3.5', merely
something to keep people from WHINING,

> But it is - therefore I was right (I admit it was accidental, 
> but I was right nevertheless).

If you like.

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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

>>Bob "wot no banter" Bobsta

> Yeah and whose fault is that you raving Boboon.

Oops - looks like someone's been f*king about with my mail...
Apologies!   Please ignore.....

RobM

>> Nope.  Miami is being supplied as a demo.

> Didn't he just say that?

Yup, which is what I said originally....

> It wasn't :) You *were* wrong. The intention is still to supply
> a Special Edition of Miami (which will probably be hardcoded to
> only work with OS3.5 enhancements installed), and therefore
> you're STILL wrong.

Huh?  Is it being supplied as a demo or not?
If yes, then I was (accidentally) correct.

>> But it is - therefore I was right (I admit it was accidental,
>> but I was right nevertheless).

> If you like.

Something's either right or wrong - there's no "if you like"...

Rob "I'll stop wasting time on pointless threads" M

"alan l.m. buxey" wrote:
> well, it could be yet another big hoax thing...Amiga seem to be a
valid
> target for this :-|
I recon its about as much as a threat to Amiga as iwin..

> but , yes, never heard of ADA ...or this story of Amigas being sold by
> Amiga which contained recycled parts etc etc
Since when was that a problem,... everybody does it..

hi,

> I don't mind the idea of Privatisation but they never should have given the
> infrastructure on a plate. Now BT controls the local loop, where we need
> competition, and charges a fortune to use it. :(

the local loop is being opened up to other companies...taken long
enough, but i cant see noone else but other big telephony companies
taking action in this area

alan

hi,

> It cures the majority of the problems that you needed the patches for. Of
> course you still need some patches. Computing wouldn't be the same without
> them. :)

it would have been quite a feat for them to go through all of aminet
checking for patches and solving all of the problems at this first
attempt. When (yes, when ;-) ) OS3.6 arrives we'll see the total removal
of all 'fix' patches... the only patches then in use would be certain
enhancement ones. 

What does everyone think...should os3.6 be a free download 'update' for
os3.5 owners or should it be a commercial sale also? I suppose it'd
depend on what was in it..after all, just because its only a .1 change,
its still on the road to OS4.0 - and could feature quite a few big
changes (look at the large changes between OS3.0 and 3.1)

alan

hi,

> We'll wait until after the party at the end of this year before
> admitting it, then start planning the real millennium party.

I guess that might be the general plan...have a really good party this
year...then in march the papers start o say things like

'You thought you had a good party? wait until you have the real one
then!!'  and tickets will be even more expensive and theres be even more
hedonistic behaviour..oh yes! 8-)

..and we'll still be waiting for the new Amiga  ;-)

alan

hi,

>   Perhaps all our Amigas will dissapear in a puff of smoke due to the Y2K
> bug in all machines that causes it to ignite when the Twiglet protection

hmm, reminsd me..i have to fix those couple of y2k probs on my Amiga.
luckily they're not serious..I was laughing when machines here had to be
replaced :-0

Twiglets...hmmmmm

alan

hi,

> Errmm.. given the people on the team, they didn't have to
> do *much* 'getting to grips with the OS'. Olaf Barthel is
> practically Amiga personified, he knows it inside out and
> back to front. Chris Aldi and the ClassAct people know
> BOOPSI inside out, too, and Haage & Partner know enough
> about printer drivers to write a few :)

ah, but its almost all 3rd hand knowledge....they've worked hard and got
a result...its not as if Sassenrath and Mical were sitting at the desk
with them

alan

> You *do* have SetMan installed, don't you?

Matt '200 patches and increasing each day' Sealey speaks again ;-)

alan

I'll have to have a look at this bit of software...what's it do?

oh, and is there any need for me to run FBlit (latest version, not
Aminet one!)? 

> > If it's not too much trouble could you please send me a copy of anything
> > you've said relating to OS 3.5 in the last 48 (or even 24) hours?
>
> Just read the emails on the website.
>
> All the best,

I knew someone would suggest I slog through the Egroups online list... (It
stinks.. it's a horrible browsing system..)
But I suppose I will have to... perhaps I can find a way to set a filter.

Thanks,
Jack

> Dear all,
>
> Just read a review in a PC mag of the Win32 version of OMSS. Reading also
> that version 2 was planned for release next year (in Windows, BeOs and
Linux
> flavours), it set me wondering what had happened to the Amiga OMSS 2
> project? You know, the one that was going to use AHI?
>
> Does anyone know?
>
> Oh yeah, the review briefly mentioned that OMSS was a port of an Amiga
> program, but didn't have all the features of the original. Ha!
>
> TTFN,
>
> James Potter.

Yeah.... OSS V2 Beta is being worked on for Amiga and you can get on the
Mailing list it's: OctaMED-Amiga@Onelist.com or just go to Onelist.com and
request to be put on the list...  It's going well and they are even taking
requests for features (Mainly in the new MIDI implementation.)

Regards,
Jack

Hello Alan

On 28-Oct-99, you wrote:
 
>> Does Workbench use MUI?
> 
> exactly. since the OS GUI doesnt use MUI, it's still classed as a 3rd
> party API extension...and kept out of the OS distribution

In my role as list pedant, I must point that other 3rd-party API extensions
are included: CyberGraphX and Picasso96, for example.

Cheers,
Rich

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Has anybody ever tried OCTAMED on PC ?! Oh I miss my 4 channels Amiga :(

I experienced the worst timing , shit. I was able to play on keyboard using
the four tracks at the same time (CHORD enabled) and it was great. Alas, my
Ami is dead and this Piece-y of shit can't make it smooth even on a 400Mhz
processor (K6-2, or P-2).
You press the note, and you hear (type) it somewhere else.

Do you recommend any smooth and capable program on PC?

Wajdy.

IE5 is super integrated with the OS, it comes pre-installed in all PCs (at
least in the Mideast countries) and it's fast!
That's why it's better than Netscape 4.5, what about later versions of
Netscape ?

Wajdy.

-----Original Message-----
From: james [mailto:c96jr@dmu.ac.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 7:09 PM

Yes Netscape is slow and unstable. But you can't say it doesn't
implement things as well as IE. MS deliberately make things
incompatible with Netscape and implement new "standards" that
only IE can use. That isn't Netscape's fault.

james
James Rollison
c96jr@dmu.ac.uk

------------------------------------------------------------------------
AFB: All polls MUST have dates!

> There was going to be a special version of Miami for OS3.5, but H&P and
> Holger Kruse ran out of time to put it in. There may well be a special
> version in the future, but it still wouldn't be as good as the registered
> version (why would Holger make a version that was as good that he got no
> money from?).
>
> All the best,

Why wouldn't he license it to H&P or Amiga Inc. or whoever.. I thought that
a number of the premier software and OS hack authors would have been given a
license for including their stuff in OS 3.5... that way software like Turbo
Print, IBrowse, Miami, Final Writer etc. wouldn't be endangered or
threatened by having these features in the OS but would be boosted and
allowed further production funds.

I'm not saying give them all the money from the OS, but a % of 20,000 -
30,000 sales sure would be nice for them. (Not to mention give people more
incentive to actually buy the OS and support future development.

P.S.
In a response to someone saying nobody uses the Amiga screen saver.. I do :)
I would have liked for there to be a new routine or two tossed in for screen
savers.  I'm assuming (hoping) stability took a front seat in this release.

hi

> I already do, but you get shit reception...

:-)  - well, thats easy, just put the dish outside and use feedthroughs

alan

I want to build my own 16 bit sound sampler

Has anyone either got and circuit diagram or know where i can find one
??

thanks

cap.

hi,

> So after all the bickering a few weeks ago about demos and special eds it turns
> out (quite by accident) that I was right all along.
> Well I never.

;-) well, it had to happen at some point. honestly, though, the os3.5
should have an OEM Miami..for soem reason there was a big delay
(possibly Holger working out how to protect such a program from abuse)

alan

> Are you running FBlit, NewIcons or any other patch that patches
> Draw() (MCP QuickDraw for example)? 

Nope, I have a BVision.

> Where *is* it in your startup-sequence?

I'm in Uni at the moment, but I think's located just under the Path
line in the startup-sequence.
 
> You *do* have SetMan installed, don't you?

No, but I've downloaded it off Aminet and I'll give it a go tonight.
 
> And how the hell do you know *Birdie* is crashing your
> Amiga? Prove it's Birdie!
> 
You should be a lawyer :D Well, Photogenics SE never used to crash at
all until Birdie came along, and when copying a file (this is quite
weird so bear with me) if the file already exist and it brings up the
requestor, after you click *any* button it reports "<Insert meaningless
symbols here> failed" (standard program crash message). It isn't Visual
Prefs as I've had that for ages without any problems. It could be
NewIcons 4.6 but I don't think it's that either. Oh, I'm using Birdie
1.4

On 28 Oct 1999 11:11:33 +0100, Neil Bothwick (neil@wire.net.uk) wrote:
> amipal said, 
> 
> > Since the BVision may *never* come, I'll wait until I get the thing
> > before ordering CGFX4.1: I've already got Wipout2097 on pre-order!
> 
> How will you run Wipeout without a BVision card?

I'm hoping to run it on the fabled 3d gfx card for my PicassoIV - however,
I'll wait for the card to actually come out before I order the game!

Kev

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On Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:24:45 +0100,  (MARRISR@uk=2Eibm=2Ecom) wrote:
>=20
>=20
> > Ummm, I thought TV detection was a swindle - in the background, a compu=
ter
> > compared lists of people who have TV's (you have to submit your name an=
d
> > address when you buy a TV or video, by law I think) and people who have
> > bought a licence (and the type), and it could tell straight away who ha=
d a
> > colour TV but a B&W licence, or no licence at all!!
>=20
> That's why I said "*real*" detector vans - the bulk of their work *is* wi=
th list
> of people from a computer - but watch out for the vans with loads of aria=
ls=2E=2E=2E

Ummm, I thought they used those to scare gullible members of the public
into getting a TV licence=2E  They're also known as looney detector vans  ;=
-)

> > /me hides his TV set, quick =2E=2E=2E
>=20
> > "It's a new-age lamp, ossifer!"
>=20
> Ah, just eat the set when they come 'round!

I'd need a couple of bottles of brown sauce to put on it!  All those chips =
=2E=2E=2E  ;-)

> Actually, the licence people have *no right* to enter your house without =
either
> your permission or a warrant, so if you don't have one, refuse them entry=
 and go
> get one quick!  They can't touch you=2E=2E=2E

At university, they came to check everyone's rooms on campus, but the
porters told em to pee off cos they had no rights to enter
withoutpermission=2E  Thank God for them - then again, i'd have chucked my =
TV
out the third floor window (into the lake, it wouldn't have been the first
in there I bet either :) and paid =A3100 for a new TV as opposed to a =A310=
00
fine!

Kev

--=20
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On Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:19:26 +0100, Ben Vost (ben=2Evost@futurenet=2Eco=2Eu=
k) wrote:
> Hi Alan,
>=20
> >> added in OS3=2E5=2E=2E=2E I hate the Amiga being put in this position,=
 but, just
> >> like Blittersoft's experiences with FusionPPC, it's time that people p=
ut
> >> their money where their mouths are=2E=2E=2E
>=20
> > FusionPPC was priced too high for just an 'addon module' which stopped =
a
> > lot of potential buyers (like me), enough orders went through though
> > iirc - but the product still hasnt been released last time i looked
>=20
> That's not the point=2E There were 600 or so pre-orders for it, out of wh=
ich
> about 250 people actually paid=2E These 600 knew how much it was, pre-ord=
ered
> and then didn't want to pay=2E That's lieing in my book=2E

Not in every case=2E  I preordered Fusion PPC on the grounds that I'd order=
ed
A PPC card for my A4000 with Blittersoft way back in March=2E  I'd had excu=
se
after excuse for it not showing up, and after 6 months of a "we'll know
more next week" kind of response (they claimed never to be able to contact
phase 5), I gave up and cancelled not only the order for the board but also
the Fusion module - well, I wouldn't need it, would I?

The same day, I phoned White Knight who informed me that the board had been
PHASED OUT COMPLETELY by p5 that April, and thus I'd spent 5 months of
being told "We'll know more next week" when there was no hope anyway!  The
bloke at White Knight (sorry, but I've forgotten his name ;) phone p5
whilst I was on the phone to him and confirmed that they had 3 left just
needing an 060 put on them and testing=2E  Two weeks later I had one in my
grubby paws, and thus I pre-ordered (and paid for - it's come off my Visa
card already, it's not just a "We'll debit your card when it is released"
situation) it again=2E

> As for it not being released, well, no, it isn't, but then it's not suppo=
sed
> to be yet=2E The release date is supposed to be the middle of November=2E

I think a lot of people who "expressed an interest" are refusing to pay
until there is an actual product available=2E  I mean, Blittersoft have tak=
en
over =A3100 off my Visa card, and say 250 other people have paid too=2E  Th=
at's
=A325,000 they've got accruing (sp?) interest daily, and if the PPC module =
is
cancelled, they keep the interest and wont pay me the interest back that
I'll lose cos of not having that cash in the bank - I'll just get back my
initial outlay=2E

I've put my money where my mouth is, and I know what I could lose out on=2E=
=20
But I'm a well paid IT developer - how many students and people with
families are there out there who WILL buy Fusion PPC when it is released,
but can't afford to risk it when there's more important stuff to buy like
food?

Kev

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> Matt '200 patches and increasing each day' Sealey speaks again ;-)
> 
Flame on...

On Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:35:20 +0100, Ben Vost wibbled=2E=2E=2E

> Yes, I read this and all the legalese that accompanies it, and it doesn't
> quite ring true for me=2E Other than the bad spelling and grammar in the
> legalese, I've never heard of this ADA, nor do I know anyone who has (not=
 a
> cue for Mark and Lard stuff again, I promise)=2E

Maybe the ADA are only suing because of the potential for lost sales,
often resulting in them being ten pence short for new purchases ;)

And wasn't ADA the post office woman in Postman Pat?

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On Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:30:51 +0100, Ben Vost wibbled=2E=2E=2E

> >> In theory all you need do is block/absorb all the RF interference the =
TV
> >> puts out - but that would mean covering the screen too - unless your
> >> house has tin-foil wallpaper!
> > live in a government nuclear shelter with the ole lead lined walls
> I already do, but you get shit reception=2E=2E=2E

It's not a big worry anyway; TV Licence officers have no right of entry
into your home; if you get a visit, and you have no licence, all you
have to do is only allow the officer in if they have a warrnat=2E To do
this, they'll have to get the police involved, which takes time=2E Enough
time to take your TV and video to a friendly neighbours house :)

Advocasy for Licence Fee Abolition - http://welcome=2Eto/ALFA

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Hello Mark

On 28-Oct-99, you wrote:

> Thanks for your reply. I'm waiting to see what fool says about his and
> I'll let you know if I want it.

  Just email me your address and I'll get my hacksaw...
( that sounds terrible! )

  Patrice

Hello Paul

On 28-Oct-99, you wrote:

> It cures the majority of the problems that you needed the patches for. Of
> course you still need some patches.

  And I hope my favourite ones will still work. Have they thought of
enableing more menus, or will we still need things like Toolsdeamon?
 
> Computing wouldn't be the same without them

  Aaaah! That's something I like to read :-)

  Patrice 

Hello Neil

On 28-Oct-99, you wrote:

> amipal said, 
> 
>> I've never had any trouble with Arq messing up my miggy, even with
>> various patches. I tried out ReqAttack, as suggested, and it proved,
>> hm, disappointing. 

  After trying Mrq for a couple of months, I can say either there are no
problems with it, or I didn't notice them.

  Patrice

Hello Paul

On 28-Oct-99, you wrote:

>> I'm 44 so can remember

Never trust youngsters ;-)

> Soon you'll be 50, and you'll start to forget ;)

Sorry, but amnesia starts much earlier, exactly when you start doing
what you swore you'd never do when you were a child.

> Paul C, who still refers to BT as the GPO

  Patrice - who still refers to France-T=E9l=E9com as the PTT

> > You *do* have SetMan installed, don't you?
> 
> Matt '200 patches and increasing each day' Sealey speaks again ;-)
> 
> alan
> 
> I'll have to have a look at this bit of software...what's it do?

It's the original SetFunction() Manager. Errmm.. you may have seen
it's lame clones like  PatchControl (with MCP).

SetMan is obviously way superior.
 
> oh, and is there any need for me to run FBlit (latest version, not
> Aminet one!)? 

If you have AGA, yes. If you have a gfx card, no fecking WAY!

> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------
> AFB: All polls MUST have dates!
> 
> 

Hi Alan,


> What does everyone think...should os3.6 be a free download 'update' for
> os3.5 owners or should it be a commercial sale also? I suppose it'd
> depend on what was in it..after all, just because its only a .1 change,
> its still on the road to OS4.0 - and could feature quite a few big
> changes (look at the large changes between OS3.0 and 3.1)

I believe that 3.6, or at least a patch to 3.5 will be available soon from
the OS3.5 website.


All the best,
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> Hello Alan
> 
> On 28-Oct-99, you wrote:
>  
> > > Does Workbench use MUI?
> > 
> > exactly. since the OS GUI doesnt use MUI, it's still 
> > classed as a 3rd party API extension...and kept out
> > of the OS distribution
> 
> In my role as list pedant, I must point that other 3rd-party 
> API extensions are included: CyberGraphX and Picasso96, for
> example.

Yes, in a folder called Contributions, and NOT in the main
installation folder like Reaction is.

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Hi Godzilla,

> I'm not saying give them all the money from the OS, but a % of 20,000 -
> 30,000 sales sure would be nice for them. (Not to mention give people more
> incentive to actually buy the OS and support future development.

I think that overall, Amiga will be very lucky to sell even 20,000 copies of
the OS. They've sold 5,000 so far, and they are pressing another 5,000 but
I betcha they won't press a further 5, it'll be more likely that they press
in 1,000 batchloads from them.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fayez Shawkan [mailto:s960942@kfupm.edu.sa]

For a start, you can quit flagging all your mails
as 'important'!!!

> IE5 is super integrated with the OS

No it isn't, the OS is actually super integrated with IE.
There is a subtle difference - IE will run rather happily
on it's own, but if you delete all of IE's components,
the OS loses all it's layout functions, it's ability to
do folder customisations, the Active Desktop (which is
actually a very good idea if used properly) and loads
of other stuff.

The OS couldn't run without half of IE. IE runs fine on
my Mac, and there isn't a Windows in sight (apart from
the MFC extensions :)

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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> I knew someone would suggest I slog through the Egroups online
list... (It
> stinks.. it's a horrible browsing system..)
> But I suppose I will have to... perhaps I can find a way to set a
filter.

Simple.

Do a search for OS3.5. with the built in search engine.

Bifford the Youngest.

 
> > You *do* have SetMan installed, don't you?
> 
> No, but I've downloaded it off Aminet and I'll give it a go tonight.

Remember to put it IMMEDIATELY after SetPatch, and don't start any
other patches before it. SetPatch is the only thing you shouldn't
remove at all, the rest can be moved safely afterwards.. if you
get what I mean..
  
> > And how the hell do you know *Birdie* is crashing your
> > Amiga? Prove it's Birdie!
> 
> You should be a lawyer :D 

I just know more about how the AmigaOS patching system works
than you do :) Just because Birdie was the last thing to be
installed, doesn't mean that Birdie is causing the crashes.

> Well, Photogenics SE 

Bzt! Photogenics SE sucks

> never used to crash at all until Birdie came along, and when
> copying a file (this is quite weird so bear with me) if the
> file already exist and it brings up the requestor, after you
> click *any* button it reports "<Insert  meaningless symbols
> here> failed" (standard program crash message). It isn't Visual
> Prefs as I've had that for ages without any problems. It could be
> NewIcons 4.6 but I don't think it's that either. Oh, I'm using Birdie
> 1.4

The latest Birdie is 1.5, I suggest you upgrade.

Besides, Birdie cannot cause those problems. It patches the Draw()
and RectFill() functions, and waits for Workbench to call them,
then uses it's own functions to put patterns in the borders -
because the only time Workbench ever calls those functions is when
it draws windows (mostly, Birdie can tell the difference anyway)

Birdie does not cause files to explode by copying. It doesn't have
the scope. It doesn't crash Photogenics SE (because PGSE sucks,
crashes on anything, you really should upgrade that too - are
you running Poolmem btw?)

Most likely, something is exploding, and Birdie is merely provoking
it. It would be better for you to find out what it's provoking
rather than just uninstalling Birdie..

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University of Leicester

> > get one quick!  They can't touch you...
>=20
> At university, they came to check everyone's rooms on campus, but the
> porters told em to pee off cos they had no rights to enter without
> permission.  Thank God for them - then again, i'd have chucked my TV
> out the third floor window (into the lake, it wouldn't have been the
> first in there I bet either :) and paid =A3100 for a new TV as =
opposed
> to a =A31000 fine!

It would be cheaper to just get a just-around-=A3100 TV license, and
save yourself the bother :)

--=20
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Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> I've put my money where my mouth is, and I know what I could 
> lose out on. But I'm a well paid IT developer - how many
> students and people with families are there out there who WILL 
> buy Fusion PPC when it is released, but can't afford to risk it
> when there's more important stuff to buy like food?

Students and people with families don't preorder stuff like that.

Wait a minute - a professional IT developer who can't even
maintain his startup-sequence properly? :) You should see the
mess it's in, all those ifs and elses :) Not that it's bad
practice, just a bitch to bugfix and maintain..

Did it work then, you new ss??

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Computer Centre
University of Leicester

On Thu, 28 Oct 1999, Alan L.M. Buxey wrote:
> What does everyone think...should os3.6 be a free download 'update' for
> os3.5 owners or should it be a commercial sale also? I suppose it'd
> depend on what was in it..after all, just because its only a .1 change,
> its still on the road to OS4.0 - and could feature quite a few big
> changes (look at the large changes between OS3.0 and 3.1)

  You've answered your own question there!  Regardless, I think that alot
of us are willing to subsidize the OS on it's path to OS4+  If it seems
even remotely warranted then I'll pay up.  After all, it's almost
hypocrytical not to.  We've said this is what we want for the last 4-5
years and now we're getting it.  If it is it, that is.  So to speak, in a
round about sort of way.

  In terms of stupidity.  I've ordered 3.5 and I'm not even going to see
my Amiga for about 3 months.  I just don't want it to die at the first
hurdle.  Alough I'll give it a go on UAE I think ;) 

bye,
  Chris

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To everyone who helped answer this query, and those who are interested - the
answer:

The icon needs to be saved as a project, and needs your CD playing software
as the default.

It needs to be called "CDDA.info" and placed straight into the ENV (or
rather, Prefs/Env-Archive) directory.

Not Env-Archive/Sys! And not called "def_CDDA.info" or "def_CDDAdisk.info"
either!

Well, this worked for me anyway, and I'm probably the only one who's
interested so there :P

Thanks to everyone who helped,

TTFN,

James.

hi,

> In my role as list pedant, I must point that other 3rd-party API extensions
> are included: CyberGraphX and Picasso96, for example.

which Cybergfx is included - and which P96. 

and , as a retort, i must say that those have to be present so that
people can actually view Workbench on their gfx cards...no MUI = dont
worry. no CGX or P96 and its no workbench on your gfx display!

alan

On Thu, 28 Oct 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:

> If you have AGA, yes. If you have a gfx card, no fecking WAY!

can i run FBlit later on...ie after WB has loaded..so it'll enhance any
AGA gaming?

alan

Hi Alan,

> which Cybergfx is included - and which P96. 

It's CGFX 3.1 (I think) and P96 v1.43b.

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On Thu, 28 Oct 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:
> > to a =A31000 fine!
>=20
> It would be cheaper to just get a just-around-=A3100 TV license, and
> save yourself the bother :)

  They aren't going to whack a 1000 fine on a first time offender anyway,
they'll just tell you to go and get a licence.


bye,
  Chris

hi,

> It would be cheaper to just get a just-around-=A3100 TV license, and
> save yourself the bother :)

ah...but its better to have a nice new telly with all the latest
features each year  ;-)

alan

> On Thu, 28 Oct 1999, Sealey, M. wrote:
> 
> > If you have AGA, yes. If you have a gfx card, no fecking WAY!
> 
> can i run FBlit later on...ie after WB has loaded..so it'll 
> enhance any AGA gaming?

No, FBlit will promptly explode all over your machine. FBlit
needs to be started pretty early on - preferably before any
graphics-related patches and after any memory-related patches.

And almost preferably before a screen gets opened..

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Computer Centre
University of Leicester

hi,

> It's CGFX 3.1 (I think) and P96 v1.43b.

oh..okay. i'm still wondering when the next cgfx update will appear :-)


alan

Hi Alan,

>> It would be cheaper to just get a just-around-=A3100 TV license, and
>> save yourself the bother :)

> ah...but its better to have a nice new telly with all the latest
> features each year  ;-)

Not that you'd get one of those for =A3100...

All the best,
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hi,

> No, FBlit will promptly explode all over your machine. FBlit

eurgh! sounds like a scene from Aliens! ;-)

> needs to be started pretty early on - preferably before any
> graphics-related patches and after any memory-related patches.

hmmm, time to do a multi-startup operation :-)

alan

Hi Alan,

>> It's CGFX 3.1 (I think) and P96 v1.43b.

> oh..okay. i'm still wondering when the next cgfx update will appear :-)

I doubt there'll be one for CGFX 3.

All the best,
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Hi Chris,

>   Then celebrate at the prospect of never having to hear Prince warbling
> "we're going to party like it's 1999" ever again.  Thankfully.  Actually,

But despair at the prospect of Robbie Williams warbling "Millenium"
for the forseeable future...

>   Perhaps all our Amigas will dissapear in a puff of smoke due to the Y2K
> bug in all machines that causes it to ignite when the Twiglet protection

Damn. That's no twiglets in my house *this* Christmas then. 

Bah, humbug  :(

Eddie

...who's actually pretty happy as, on my way back from the cinema
today I picked up issue 2 of Amiga Active and, when I got home, I
found postie had delivered Netconnect 3. What with my analogue
steering wheel turning up a couple of days back - which has improved
Virtual Grand Prix no end - this has been a great week to own an Amiga
 :)

hi,

> Not that you'd get one of those for =A3100...

well, start at 200 - dont forget you'll be saving 100 ukp each year by
not paying... ;-)


alan

Hi Guys

> >> Most of our customers pay by debit card (Delta, Solo, Electron, Connect,
> >> Switch etc) cheque, postal order or even cash.

> > wow!, somewhere that takes Electron! I might just buy something to see what
> > happens :)

> I work at Makro, and we take Electron. You need to have a Makro card too of course tho ;)
> In fact I put an Electron card through today...

In fact pretty much anywhere that uses EPOS machines (and can
process Visa or Delta) can accept Electron, but for some reason Visa
International don't publicise the fact :/

The only difference between Delta and Electron is that Delta have
raised figures so they can be put through a "Rip Rip" paper embosser.
Electron is on-line only.

Cheers for now.

Anthony Prime
>Powered by Amiga in Crewe
anthony@prime.clara.co.uk

On 28 Oct 1999, Eddie Maddock wrote:
> But despair at the prospect of Robbie Williams warbling "Millenium"
> for the forseeable future...

  Damn.  Everyone should get their Petro signed "Back for the future" CDs
and force master Williams to an eternity of Boing music.

> > bug in all machines that causes it to ignite when the Twiglet protection
> Damn. That's no twiglets in my house *this* Christmas then. 

  Honey Roasted peanuts are fine.  As are mini swiss rolls.

> steering wheel turning up a couple of days back - which has improved
> Virtual Grand Prix no end - this has been a great week to own an Amiga
>  :)

  He says, magically steering the thread back on topic!  For it's been
Amiga Active 1 AND 2, AF130 and OS3.5 somewhere but not with me.  Oh, and
a pay rise laiden pay slip.  Nice.


bye,
  Chris

Hi Mash

> > I rebooted and the partitions appeared on the workbench, but
> > when I tried to format dh0 the progress bar stayed at 0%.
> > Following the reboot, all the partitions had disappeared :(
 
> Quick format?

As it's a "pre-owned" hard drive I'd like to do a full format so I can
see what I'm dealing with.

 > Mash - never formatted in over 5 years

Bah! ;)

Cheers for now.

Anthony Prime
>Powered by Amiga in Crewe
anthony@prime.clara.co.uk

Hi Danny
Somewhere around 26-Oct-99, you spewed some some gumph about [afb] what
would you pay?

> make an offer. Not wanting to rip myself off, how much would you pay for
> the following:

650

> I think he knows what it is worth though, he's had an Amiga of some sort
> since 1990 and he's a bit of a myzar!

He's cracking RC5 blocks?

Mash - loaded
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                               Matthew O'Neill

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On 27-Oct-99, riksweeney@hotmail.com wrote:

> There have been no new updates in the last few days have there?

None here either :( hacked again?

Mash - 
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On 27-Oct-99, Ben Vost wrote:

>> I think he knows what it is worth though, he's had an Amiga of some sort
>> since 1990 and he's a bit of a myzar!

> What? An RC5 GUI?

Damn!, beaten to it :P

Mash - cracking
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Hi Alan
Somewhere around 27-Oct-99, you spewed some some gumph about [afb] Re: what
would you pay?

>> Blizzard PPC 240/040-25 - No Scsi

> 500 ukp.  this price is 350 for the parts, and 150 for the PPC card

150 for the card!!?? I'd say 200 minimum

Mash - 
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You're space crazy. --Rimmer.

On 27-Oct-99, Ben Vost wrote:

>> Does this mean it warns after 30 minutes and times out after 1 hour?

> Yes.

So after all the whining about how Miami wasn't a demo (From Evil Rich I
believe?) it infact IS a demo! So Like I said in the first place, it is
just an oppotunity for them to get free advertising.

Mash - Right all along
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On 27-Oct-99, Alan L.M. Buxey wrote:

>> Does this mean it warns after 30 minutes and times out after 1 hour?

> oh dear. here we go. this is what happens when people spout rubbish
> about 'demo' 

Ho ho ho, it appears you have been cussed up big time by the Vostster! :D
someone's right and someone's wrong, I'm more inclined to believe the
editor of the planet's biggest Amiga mag myself.

> in answer, no its not a demo. 

...

Mash - Still right
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On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, Matthew O'Neill wrote:
> On 27-Oct-99, riksweeney@hotmail.com wrote:
> > There have been no new updates in the last few days have there?
> 
> None here either :( hacked again?

  A load came through this morning.


bye,
  Chris

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MARRISR said, 

>>> So after all the bickering a few weeks ago about demos and special eds it
>>> turns out (quite by accident) that I was right all along. Well I never.

>> Nope. Because the Special Edition and Demos *are* different, and it's
>> only Miami that's being supplied with the demo, not the other software.

> Nope.  Miami is being supplied as a demo.  I said it was.  Everyone said it
> wasn't.

Because it won't be, if the correct version ever arrives. Yes, H&P were
forced into putting a demo on the CD as a stopgap, but that's not what
you're paying for, and none of the other software is demos.


Neil
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amimjf said, 

>> but , yes, never heard of ADA ...or this story of Amigas being sold by
>> Amiga which contained recycled parts etc etc

> Since when was that a problem,... everybody does it..

CBM(UK) used to supply recycled warranty returns as "new" machines.


Neil
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I ran these versus threw it, yew mae bee pleased too no
Its word prefect in every weight; my spell cheque tolled me sew!

On Thu, 28 Oct 1999 17:14:57 +0100, Sealey, M. (mws2@leicester.ac.uk) wrote:
> > I've put my money where my mouth is, and I know what I could 
> > lose out on. But I'm a well paid IT developer - how many
> > students and people with families are there out there who WILL 
> > buy Fusion PPC when it is released, but can't afford to risk it
> > when there's more important stuff to buy like food?
> 
> Students and people with families don't preorder stuff like that.

Like I said  ;-)

> Wait a minute - a professional IT developer who can't even
> maintain his startup-sequence properly? :)

It's well maintained - it works dunnit?  It's just that over the years I've
put in some dodgy dodgy patches in there!

> You should see the
> mess it's in, all those ifs and elses :) Not that it's bad
> practice, just a bitch to bugfix and maintain..

Hey, those ifs and elses were indented, so it made it obvious how it
worked.  It was just a case of identifying what was bad that was in there,
and also what was in the wrong order   ;-)

> Did it work then, you new ss??

Ummm, not tried it yet.  been faffing a bit with NC3 and STFax 4.  I'll
play tonight - although OS3.5 arrived today, I ain't installing it just yet
cos 1)  I'm gonna buy a new HD to put it on, and 2) I'm off to Malta
tomorrow for a week, and my Amiga isn't going with me!!   ;-)

TTFN,

Kev

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On 28 Oct 1999, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> Because it won't be, if the correct version ever arrives. Yes, H&P were
> forced into putting a demo on the CD as a stopgap, but that's not what
> you're paying for, and none of the other software is demos.

  Why can no one see what Rob is actually trying to say?!?  He's just
pointing out the irony of the arguements preceding the release!  The
version "supplied" when the package hits the doormat WILL be the demo,
whether intended or not.  Regardless of correctional updates.


bye,
  Chris

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On 25-Oct-99, Ben Vost wrote:

> Hi sam@biffordyoungest.u-net.com,
> 
>> key sar ra, sa ra.                      (probably spelt wrong, sorry)
>> what will be, will be.                  (as the song goes.)
> 
> Que sera, sera.
> 
*/
*//*War is over,*/
*/if you want it.*/

Mark.

On Thu, 28 Oct 1999 17:11:34 +0100, Sealey, M=2E (mws2@leicester=2Eac=2Euk)=
 wrote:
> > > get one quick!  They can't touch you=2E=2E=2E
> >=20
> > At university, they came to check everyone's rooms on campus, but the
> > porters told em to pee off cos they had no rights to enter without
> > permission=2E  Thank God for them - then again, i'd have chucked my TV
> > out the third floor window (into the lake, it wouldn't have been the
> > first in there I bet either :) and paid =A3100 for a new TV as opposed
> > to a =A31000 fine!
>=20
> It would be cheaper to just get a just-around-=A3100 TV license, and
> save yourself the bother :)

Ummm, I did without the license and saved myself =A3100=2E  When I was livi=
ng
in a shared house we got a license, but I never bothered when on campus=2E=
=20
Therefore I saved =A3200, which was another =A3200 to spend on my Amiga or
beer!

Oh, and if you are registered blind, you can save a whopping =A35 off the
licence fee!  Aren't they kind?

Kev

--=20
Kevin "Redvers" Fairhurst - ICQ 14701124

On 28 Oct 1999, Kevin Fairhurst wrote:
> Oh, and if you are registered blind, you can save a whopping =A35 off the
> licence fee!  Aren't they kind?

  They do more radio stations than TV channels, perhaps blind people
should get 2 quid off.  ...and disinterested people with short attention
spans should get it half price!=20

  Plus they have to fund the news network somehow. =20


bye,
  Chris

Hello All,

Well as asked, I now have the full details on this tennis game.

The following is an email I got from Malcolm Pett of Epic.

                      
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Date Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:29:44 +0100
From malcolm pett <islona@dialin.net>
To michael.carrillo@ukonline.co.uk
Subject From epic

-----------------

You wanted it here it is.


Mikro Mortal Tennis aims to become the craziest game ever in the
videogame history!!
As you can guess from the title, it is basically founded on tennis
game, but its goal is to eliminate your opponents, not simply to defeat
them!!! 
To this purpose, players might make use of loads of Mortal-Kombat and
Street-Fighter-like special moves, in addition to many others, directly
taken from lots of famous videogames or films. Besides, there are
bombs, Fire'n'forget rockets, heat-seeking missiles at their complete
disposal... The game boasts an amusing animated intro which will
explain the reason of such a strange tournamnet - by the way, your
order is to climb a high mountain, just like the second episode of the
Mortal Kombat saga; moreover, it features several victory and defeat
pictures and an even more crazy final sequence than the intro!! 

Players can choose their characters from a range of twelve different
guys, each distinguished with typical characteristics, which can be
edited in the proper menu. Beyond every human conceiving, the game is
spangled with lots of mad things, like referee-slaughtering, animals
which will appear in the field, VIPs which will perform during the
match, and a mysterious tapir named Fart (main character of the game,
as you can be able to guess from the introduction) which will perform
in a number of funny anims.. 
At the beginning of the match the players will enter the field and
choose the field in which play with an incredible money trowing!! Of
course, the         sporting side of the game is not to be
under-stimated.. You'll always have to win your match!! From this point
of view, the game is classicaly structured: pitch type, number of sets
to win, type of game (single, double or training),as well as the type
of tournament to join; you'll be able to select, in addition to the
above-mentioned MK-style tournament, an UNFRIENDLY tournament in which
up to eight human players are allowed to take part, or a full season,
where player will have to win as much as possible to travel all over
the world,      and in order to buy weapons and points which will help
him in his short career. It's possible to save and subsequently restore
your season from disc as well as every change made in the players
editing menu, where you're able to change the name, the characteristics
and the shirt colour of all the characters... 

Well, that's all, there's nothing left but wishing you to enjoy Mikro
Mortal Tennis! Mikro Mortal Tennis supports all Amiga models with at
least 1 Meg of Ram.

                              Mikro Mortal Tennis authors are:
                              Coding: Davide Mancusi - Marco Pacifico
                              Graphics: Marco Pacifico - Sergio Rocco
                              Additional graphics: Enrico Zerbo
                              Musics & sfx: Alex Ascione
                              Storyboard: Valerio Massari - Stefano
Gualeni



-----------

Regards

Mikey C

Hi Chris,
 
>   Honey Roasted peanuts are fine.  As are mini swiss rolls.

Hmm, mini swiss rolls - a fine twiglet substitute. Go down well with
a pint of beer, I don't think  ;)

> > steering wheel turning up a couple of days back - which has improved
> > Virtual Grand Prix no end - this has been a great week to own an Amiga

>   He says, magically steering the thread back on topic!  For it's been
> Amiga Active 1 AND 2, AF130 and OS3.5 somewhere but not with me.  Oh, and
> a pay rise laiden pay slip.  Nice.

Excellent, Chris !  It seems like only yesterday you were threatening
to quit if they didn't up your salary. I wonder if I should try that
when I go to work tomorrow ? (if they say `goodbye' could you
bung us a loan to pay for all this stuff I've bought on my Visa card ?
Let me guess, you'll take Netconnect 3 and the steering wheel off my
hands at a reduced fee ? Why am I talking like I know there's no pay
rise coming my way ? Why am I talking ?)

Cheers,

Eddie (think I'll have a go at installing Netconnect 3 in a minute -
well, after I've driven round Monaco a few more times with my new
steering wheel...  "wheeeee!!!  -  look out for that wall !")

No one has ever been prosocuted on the evidence of a TV detector van.
There's no need to chuck your TV out of the window. It is an offence to
have a TV in working order without a licence. Working order means it
must have a power plug and ariel attached.

And the thing I DO like about IE5 is that if you save a webpage to your
harddisk, it creates a subfolder with all associated gfx in it, and amends
the HTML accordingly to point to this folder instead of the URLs. Well
useful when you want to keep stuff for reference.

Later.

Gavin
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Andrews <ca@fortunecity.com>
To: <afb@egroups.com>
Sent: 27 October 1999 16:32
Subject: [afb] "IE is cr*p".


> On 27 Oct 1999, Daniel Thornton wrote:
> > Neoplanet is just a skin set for Internet Exploder. IE is crap. Nuff
> > said.
>
>   Is it?  I used to think so too.  But I've been using IE5 on NT for about
> 2 months now (THEY MADE MY DUMP MY LINUX BOX!!!  HOW COULD THEY?).
>
>   I'm made up with it.  It's a good piece of software.  Sure it's a bit
> confusing when things (in the UI) are not where you expect them to be.
> But a) It's stable, b) it's turbo quick for a windows program and c) it's
> a fully (Yes FULLY) feature browser.
>
>   Netscape on the other hand is slow, doesn't implement thing as properly
> (W3C) as IE and falls over more than my netthew.
>
>   So there!  That's my mine made up.
>
>
> bye,
>   Chris
>
>
> --
> http://www.legpits.co.uk/
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> AFB: All polls MUST have dates!
>
>

Hello Ben

On 28-Oct-99, you wrote:

> I think that overall, Amiga will be very lucky to sell even 20,000 copies
> of the OS. They've sold 5,000 so far, and they are pressing another 5,000
> but I betcha they won't press a further 5, it'll be more likely that they
> press in 1,000 batchloads from them.

I hope you're wrong about the total sales Ben:(
Although 5,000 in one week doesn't seem /too/ bad.

Cheers, Tom U, who ordered 3.5 yesterday
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Hello Chris

>  You've answered your own question there!  Regardless, I think that alot
> of us are willing to subsidize the OS on it's path to OS4+  If it seems
> even remotely warranted then I'll pay up.  After all, it's almost
> hypocrytical not to.  We've said this is what we want for the last 4-5
> years and now we're getting it.  If it is it, that is.  So to speak, in a
> round about sort of way.

Too true, I sure hope there is a continuous *Official* update to the OS, if
the OS is successful, it might encourage companies to take up the MCC
development.

>  In terms of stupidity.  I've ordered 3.5 and I'm not even going to see
> my Amiga for about 3 months.  I just don't want it to die at the first
> hurdle.  Alough I'll give it a go on UAE I think ;) 

:) I ordered it yesterday, and my Amiga just scrapes into the minimum
requirements. I do plan to upgrade tho :P

Cheers, Tom U
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Kevin Fairhurst said, 

> On 28 Oct 1999 11:11:33 +0100, Neil Bothwick (neil@wire.net.uk) wrote:

>> How will you run Wipeout without a BVision card?

> I'm hoping to run it on the fabled 3d gfx card for my PicassoIV

It will be past the sell by date in its name by the time that comes out.

Wipeout runs very nicely on my CVPPC :)


Neil
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Richard Drummond said, 

>> exactly. since the OS GUI doesnt use MUI, it's still classed as a 3rd
>> party API extension...and kept out of the OS distribution

> In my role as list pedant, I must point that other 3rd-party API extensions
> are included: CyberGraphX and Picasso96, for example.

You're not being pedantic enough. The RTG software is in the
Contributions drawer of the CD. It's not installed by the OS 3.5
installer, it's not part of the OS distribution, just a freebie on the
CD.


Neil
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Alan L.M. Buxey said, 

>> I don't mind the idea of Privatisation but they never should have given the
>> infrastructure on a plate. Now BT controls the local loop, where we need
>> competition, and charges a fortune to use it. :(

> the local loop is being opened up to other companies...

In another eighteen months :(

> taken long
> enough, but i cant see noone else but other big telephony companies
> taking action in this area

It will enable ISPs to locate equipment at BT exchanges, giving direct
access to ADSL etc.


Neil
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"ben vost" <ben.vos-@futurenet.co.uk> wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=34442
> Hi Andrew,

> > (anyway, whos gonna stop people emailing anyone who wants it
privately?)
> 
> Finally, someone reaches the same conclusion as was reached the last
two
> times this subject was raised on this list. Can we call an end to
Cinema 4D
> again, please?!

So, who was this guy who wanted the number in the first place?

CU
maarten

On Thu, 28 Oct 1999, Ben Vost wrote:

> I doubt there'll be one for CGFX 3.

no no..i've got 4.1 - i was just wondering when a new update would be
:-)

alan

On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, Matthew O'Neill wrote:

> 150 for the card!!?? I'd say =A3200 minimum

please...let me remember you for when i sell my 060/240 card
(think maybe 450 ukp then? ;-) )

alan

Hi,

    I've just got and installed a second hand Blizzard 1260/50 board with scsi
kit also using both simm slots one 32mb the other 16mb.

This is all in in desktop A1200 (raised) nothing else changed in system (using
Goliath PSU) I'm very pleased with the speed over my old Blizzard 1230-III
card but noticed the clock time goes a bit odd the last couple of days seems
OK but just noticed its now out by 5 mins fast. (The other day 24 hrs out) if
it is the battery could I change from the 1230 card to the 1260 card or are
they easy to obtain.

See You
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                       Ken